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There was too much going on in life to get involved in ham radio until recently for me. I was fortunate to have a club near me that gave 2 day classes leading up to the Technician exam. The instructor, who was a retired fireman was fantastic. He understood how to present the hobby in an engaging, yet disciplined manner. He was (and is) a confidence builder, yet he does not lower his standards for people desiring to enter into this hobby. I had not considered going beyond the Technician class, but with his encouragement and the encouragement of other hams, I studied hard and aced the Trechnician class, and passed the General on the same day with only two questions missed after doing the heavy lifting of immersing myself in the 10 subelements of the test. I didn't spend that much time in the technical part, since I am an engineer by occupation, so I spent the majority of time in the other parts - and learned a lot that I didn't know, but now provide a good perspective for how this hobby can bring a lot of enjoyment to me and others throughout the years.

For me, the extra study helped me see the history and rules of the hobby, and its important role in our world today. Its more than just setting up a 2 meter rig, and its more than just being able to be on a net. Its something that grows with you as you become more aware of the many, many facets of this hobby. Kudos to you for realizing that there is something here of value. I believe you will find a lot in this hobby that is beneficial to you, and you in turn will find a place where you can be beneficial to others as you pursue knowledge and experience in the hobby.

On the day of my test, one of the VE's had to work a fire as a volunteer where someone died. He made it back as quickly as he could so that all of us that were taking the test that day could proceed. VE's are often unsung hero's, people that have put a lot into this hobby, often at cost to themselves. In Gordon West's Technician class training book, he recommends thanking the VE's and VEC on the day of your test for their sacrifice of time for you, regardless of the outcome. It is this small gift you give that will keep on giving many times back to you, for you will find people that respond and appreciate this widespread throughout this hobby.

73's!
 

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I passed my test the 1st time, but they let you take it that day as many times as you want. you should give it a shot, the poeple are very interesting aned you really learn alot once you get involved. You can make mistakes and people will help you and are really cool about it. I got my ticket a year ago and I alreday bought another rig. Go for it, give it another chance!
 

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When I upgraded there was no internet. A book was available with a pool of questions. I realized I knew most of the answers, but about 50 questions gave me problems. I got a package of index cards, & wrote the questions/answers on these cards. At my job there were many 5 minute intervals where there was nothing to do, & that's when I would go through the cards, reviewing the difficult questions. I would also study at lunchtime in my boss' office. Well I passed, & this was when the FCC gave the tests! I paid back by becoming a volunteer examiner. If someone was going to fail by 1 or 2 questions we'd hand them the test back & tell them to recheck their answers again. Sometimes that made a difference. Good luck. GARY N4KVE
 

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If someone was going to fail by 1 or 2 questions we'd hand them the test back & tell them to recheck their answers again. Sometimes that made a difference. Good luck. GARY N4KVE


I wish i woulda got that lucky, because i only failed by three, but i also realize that the questions are asked for a reason and i need to do better than that. I'm still doing practice tests and i'm not doing too bad on those, but the answers are starting to stick in my head now through repetition. I should be able to nail it next month.
 

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Most VEs will allow you to take more than 1 test per session if you fail by a few. I don't feel this is the best policy, and after studying some more you can probably agree with me here. I'm very glad you decided to stick with amateur radio and are trying to go about it the right way, studying the books and materials, not just the question pool.

Let me relate this to you, about someone who, like you, was only taking online tests, and passing them. A potential amateur radio recruit was pming me about getting his license. He had said he was going to be in town for the weekend and taking his test Saturday morning. He wanted to know what callsign he was going to use after passing his test that Saturday morning, hoping to QSO with me the day he passed his technician exam. He assumed that he would be given a generic callsign until his license was processed. Had he read the book and studied correctly (and I'm sure you now know also) he would have understood he'd get a CSCE then have to wait until his license showed up in the ULS to transmit. Now, had I not told him otherwise, he would have done so, because he had a 2m capable rig and was itching to transmit. So you can see why the FCC has such a large question pool and makes some areas more intensive than others. Had I not talked to this recruit, he could have passed the exam and be illegally operating, and not even know it. That would have been a shame, but now he's a good, knowledgeable, licensed operator.

I commend you for your humility, if there are any questions you may have, feel free to contact me through a pm. I'm sure anyone who reads this thread through can see that the OP IS the type of guy we need in amateur radio.
 

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I wish i woulda got that lucky, because i only failed by three, but i also realize that the questions are asked for a reason and i need to do better than that. I'm still doing practice tests and i'm not doing too bad on those, but the answers are starting to stick in my head now through repetition. I should be able to nail it next month.

In your first post you stated "Anyhow, i guess you're allowed to miss up to ten, and i missed 13." SO which is it 3 or 13 ?
 

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In your first post you stated "Anyhow, i guess you're allowed to miss up to ten, and i missed 13." SO which is it 3 or 13 ?

It was 13. You're allowed to miss up to 10, and i missed 13, meaning i failed by 3.
 

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Actually, on Both the Tech and General tests, you must have 26 correct answers out of 35.... So, you can miss up to 9 and still pass either of those tests. The Extra Class test has 50 questions and you must get 37 correct answers to pass that one.

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Actually, on Both the Tech and General tests, you must have 26 correct answers out of 35.... So, you can miss up to 9 and still pass either of those tests. The Extra Class test has 50 questions and you must get 37 correct answers to pass that one.

VE

my mistake.....sorry, i've been studying all day
 

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I don't know if this helps you or not but if you get a good enough momentum going and actually start to feel comfortable with the material, go for your General as soon as you're done with your Tech. When I got around to taking the General, I actually found it was easier than the Technician exam. One of the proctors that I had a discussion with after the exam session said the exact same thing. Of course, having a few years in the hobby can account for that on my end but I went into the whole thing worried after taking many practice exams and going over all of the study materials I had available at the time. In the end though, the test was easy. Don't psyche yourself out over it either. You're electing to take this test, it's not like you're in high school and failing this test means you'll have to repeat a class or something similar.
 

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Psst!
Don't stop with the General, get the Extra while you're on'a roll! Don't think you'd ever use/need those privileges? So what, do it anyway, you never know...
- 'Doc

(and if you ever get a ride on the shuttle, you won't need a waiver to play radio!)
 

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bad testing experience

I take it you don't frequent any forums on the internet. Otherwise you would know better than to make a post like you did. You must be a real glutton for azz reamings. Expect no sympathy on any forum. In my area hams have their own little clicks. I know because I have been a amateur radio operator for sixteen years. No put down, its just the way it is.You won't fit with every club. If you want to be a tech, just study some more..When I first got my general license I was very put off by all the bull shirt on 75 meters. At that time it sounded a lot like cb radio. So I did not hang out there. Amateur radio covers a huge area and you will find something somewhere that you like. Get a license and find where you fit in or God for bid, go back to a cell radio. There are no cell phones.

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I take it you don't frequent any forums on the internet. Otherwise you would know better than to make a post like you did. You must be a real glutton for azz reamings. Expect no sympathy on any forum. In my area hams have their own little clicks. I know because I have been a amateur radio operator for sixteen years. No put down, its just the way it is.You won't fit with every club. If you want to be a tech, just study some more..When I first got my general license I was very put off by all the bull shirt on 75 meters. At that time it sounded a lot like cb radio. So I did not hang out there. Amateur radio covers a huge area and you will find something somewhere that you like. Get a license and find where you fit in or God for bid, go back to a cell radio. There are no cell phones.

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You know how I know you didn't read the whole thread before posting?
 

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Well Shaft, I read what sparks40 said and that's who my reply was to. You got something to say, just say it.

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Well Shaft, I read what sparks40 said and that's who my reply was to. You got something to say, just say it.

Ok... I'll say it: Read what ELSE sparks40 has to say. You gotta read this entire thread, all the way through, to really get it.
 

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Ok... I'll say it: Read what ELSE sparks40 has to say. You gotta read this entire thread, all the way through, to really get it.
Not when he wants to bump a dormant thread to start a fight.:roll:
 

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The ve has 7 different tests for each class. It just so happened that you got one that you were unfamiliar with. If you should purchase the arrl tech manual you will find that if you study the method the manual suggests you will know every answer and ace the test' I took mine before they did away with the advanced class so I still hold advanced privileges. I am a volunteer ec and can say for a fact that some of these examiners should stay away from testing!!! Some hold high class licensees and think that they are a deity to the ham radio world, When I start to hear some of them talking about "how it was so much more difficult when they got their ticket I just walk away". I passed the 20 wpm code exam. And learned a lot from studying to get my license but I've learned a lot more since I've had it than I would have otherwise. Don't get me wrong when you had to go to a field office and actually draw diagrams of circuits to get your ticket it was very tough to do. And these are the hams I've learned the most from. But there's that other percentage that hurts our hobby more than helps it. Don't get disheartened and I hope to work you someday. You may even want to learn cw as to me it's more fun than voice!! 73 Richard KM5WX
 

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I shouldn't say anything, but I will.

I own a couple of different receivers and I am very active in listening to what is on the radio.

I was pretty dumb, because I knew there was something called the two meters, but there was no activity on the two meters and I didn't know why.

Just by accident, I was programming one of my radios one day and came across some activity on a two meters frequency.
It was a couple of people who were linking a couple two meters repeaters together.

Since I am in communications and since I knew how to look up licenses and since I was already in communications, I was able to find the email addresses of some of the people that I was listening to.

I sent some emails back and forth and ended up being invited to their club meeting and was invited to take my Technician test.
I was lucky to have met a couple of hams at a local club meeting and one of them lent me his ARRL book and I was in a situation where I had oral surgery done and had a week with nothing to do and used that time to read the book and go over the questions.

Just by accident, I heard those people talking and I heard them say that they were going to spring the test on me after their club meeting.
I went into panic mode and studied my butt off the night before the test and I passed my exam the first time I took it.

I tried taking the general exam twice that day and did not pass it.

So I went home, took back the book I borrowed and borrowed a General exam book from the same guy I borrowed the Technician book from and went back two weeks later and passed my General Exam.

I had just got my call signs for my Technician 5 days before and didn't even have a radio yet and was already a General.

So I spent a pile of money and bought a good Mobile two meters radio and a antenna and built a battery bank so I could use my new radio.

Two weeks later, when I went to the next club meeting, I asked if I could take my Extra exam that day.
It was funny that the president of their club only held a Technicians license and he looked at me and said " I thought you just passed your Technician exam last month!"

The VE's told him - yes that was true, but he worked really hard and he drove 120 miles one way - two weeks ago to attend another test session and he studied really hard and he passed his General on the first try!

The president of the club said - "Well if he could pass it, then I guess I can pass it too!"
So I sat down and took the Extra and missed it by 3 and 2 and 9, and he sat down and took the General twice and failed it.

So since then, I have been studying day and night to try to pass this extra exam.
Many people gets complacent when it comes to getting a license and getting on the air.
Some people uses their class of license like a badge of honor, and when a discussion comes up about experience, they throw it in your face.

I will say one thing about all of this.
I want to get my Extra license for two reasons, both of them are personal reasons.

The first is - because I am not a Engineer and because in order for me to pass the exam, I have to work really hard.
When I get my license, it won't be because I already knew the material on the test.
It will be because I had to study real hard and because I had to learn everything involved.

It took me 40 hours of studying to get my technician license and it took me 80 hours of studying to get my General license.

I have already studied an additional 80+ hours, trying to get my Extra license.
I am not -- nor will I ever be able to get 100% right on any of these tests.
The tests are set up to teach you things, some of which are irrelevant - due to the fact that no one builds their own radios anymore and unless you have a degree in Electrical Engineering and own a radio shop with specialized tools such as a oscilloscope - you can't work on your own stuff anymore.
The circuits are so small that you can't even see the individual components anymore.
You have to look at them through a microscope and you have to change them in modules.

BUT - if you hold a Extra license and if your character is sound, you can become a VE and give back a little of what you got and teach what you learned to those around you.

It all goes back to the beginning of my story.
We had a bunch of repeaters and no one talking on them.

Ham Radio involves a radio, I'm sorry - but that is my opinion.
There is no satisfaction in working Vo IP - voice over IP.

The disparity between the ages of the users of the radio is so great - that some of the younger people doesn't want to talk to the older people and some of the older people doesn't want to talk to the younger people.

Some of the younger people - doesn't understand HAM RADIO and all they want to talk about is computers.
They also don't understand how to talk on the radio.
They were never taught how to be courteous and the repeater owners were actually the people who drove the other people away with their ways and their attitudes.

MY ADVICE - and I am a new ham here, is to not stop at your Technician license - because that is just the Walkie Talkie band.
You have some good guys there and some riff raff.
It's mostly local, except for the repeaters that are linked together on the Echo Link, Target System, WAN repeater system etc.....

When you move up to the HF - there is a lot more to listen to and a lot more to learn.
Unless you are born into this hobby, you are going to need to buy one of everything.
It's a very expensive hobby and it takes a lot of hard work.
Its not just as simple as putting a old mag mount antenna on top of the metal cap on top of the flue of your chimney and hooking it up to a old two meters radio and broadcasting.

The original goal was to train radio operators and to teach them how to be good radio operators.
This involves learning electrical theory - YES, but it also involves understanding transmitting and receiving and wave propagation and reception.

You wouldn't believe how many stupid people there is on the radio.
Educated people who thinks that they know it all and people who have talked on the radio for 20+ years that does not understand reception and how radio waves are broadcast and how they travel through the atmosphere.

I understand the transmitting and reception part - but couldn't figure out the frequency of a circuit if my life depended on it.
You don't necessarily need to know how it works, as long as it works.
My Elmer says - fix what is broke and leave the rest alone.
You don't need to know most of what is on the EXTRA exam - because those questions are designed for RF engineers who are going to design circuits for radios and not for someone who is going to talk on radios.

There is a whole world out there.
Buy yourself a HF radio and build yourself a antenna system and enjoy.....
The satisfaction comes from building your own antenna system and being able to receive signals from all over the world.
You will continually find yourself looking at the catalogs - looking to buy better radios and looking to build yourself a better antenna that will receive more and looking to improve your hamshack set up.

There is always a abundance of things to do and things to buy and things to make and theory's to test.

One little ps is - that they are only supposed to give the exam 3 times in any one day.
If you were really close - they could let you take it a 4th time, but from what the VE people told me.
They never saw anyone pass it on the 3rd try.

The reason for me - is because if you miss it by a couple the first two times, you will get frustrated and you will start to change your right answers into wrong answers and you will end up missing more then you will get right.

Each test is different!

At the same time, it is against the rules to give the test back and let someone correct their mistakes.
Either you know this stuff or you don't.

My one piece of advice is to study real hard and don't stop trying to learn.
If you fail today, go home and study some more and take it again next time.
There is nothing that says that you have to have a license to listen.

Even after you get your license - Listen, don't talk!

This was the craziest thing I ever heard.

No one would tell me what it meant.
What it means, is that if you listen long enough - you will find out that most people on the radio is BUNG HOLES.
If you listen to them long enough, you will find out which ones are the nice people and which ones are the bung holes and which ones to associate with and which ones to avoid like the plague.
 

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I went to take my Tech exam today, and it really put a bad taste in my mouth in regard to getting involved in amateur radio. I arrived just before 9am, when the testing was supposed to begin. There were 3 VE's in the room, but we had to wait until almost 9:30 for the 4th guy, who coincidentally was the one with all the paperwork and test forms. No big deal. I have been taking a wide variety of practice exams online at various websites for the last two weeks, and i figured i was ready, since i had been passing these practice exams, Anyhow, i guess you're allowed to miss up to ten, and i missed 13. There were more questions on the test regarding propagation, antenna lengths versus bands, and very little on the electrical and electronics end, which i am very proficient at. Hell, i didn't even get any questions on schematics. I guess i just feel like the VE's choose the questions from the current pool, and i'm failing to see the value in needing to be as technical as they were in the testing for somebody trying to get in on the ground floor, so to speak. You would think that they would want to make it a little easier for someone to get into the hobby, as it is worthwhile to them to boost membership in their clubs. I felt a very strong indifference, and also like they weren't very interested in the fact that i was even there. I started out with a strong interest in the hobby, but now i'm not so sure. I can see the validity of the questions, but not to somebody just starting out. Thanks for letting me rant.

Took my Tech test in December. Studied for it and actually attended a class starting in September. Passed with flying colors the first try.

No excuse if you didn't study enough. It takes a bit of effort.
 
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