Banks County NXDN

[DanRollman]

I thought they went quiet in 2011 when they went Mototrbo..? Here is a quote from 2011 by 1268

"As a heads up Jackson County SO has gone Mototrbo and is encrypted. Other agencies soon to follow. The only thing that will stay clear and scannable will be fire paging on 154.220. "

"1268" would have been mistaken then. I've been listening to Jackson County DMR at least as far back as 2014, when I got my CS700 DMR radio and figured out how to program it to monitor MotoTRBO Con+ trunked system activity. Not true trunk tracking, and this was before consumer-grade DMR trunking scanners, but with a system as small as Jackson County (in terms of frequencies and activity per site), it worked pretty well.

 

[RRR]

Seems the Con+ LCN's got messed up whenever someone did the "Update", rendering it difficult to monitor if programmed Con or Cap +. If I'm over thataway, I'll run LCN finder, unless someone else can

 

[country2]

Hey RRR...what you scanning with ...a sds100?

 

[1268]

"1268" would have been mistaken then. I've been listening to Jackson County DMR at least as far back as 2014, when I got my CS700 DMR radio and figured out how to program it to monitor MotoTRBO Con+ trunked system activity. Not true trunk tracking, and this was before consumer-grade DMR trunking scanners, but with a system as small as Jackson County (in terms of frequencies and activity per site), it worked pretty well.

That was the original plan but never happened, the SO had issues with the encryption in their mobiles. Somewhere is a thread where it states just that.

 

[1268]

Seems the Con+ LCN's got messed up whenever someone did the "Update", rendering it difficult to monitor if programmed Con or Cap +. If I'm over thataway, I'll run LCN finder, unless someone else can

As is I can't get anything. Sat at Banks crossing this morning while the ladies in the family shopped and nothing came in except the VHF HI paging traffic.... this was while watching Banks SO work a fender bender.

 

[1268]

[B]DanRollman[/B] Can we revert the database back to before the last update for this system ???

 

[DanRollman]

[B]DanRollman[/B] Can we revert the database back to before the last update for this system ???

No idea. I didn't make the change and don't know what it was. I'm not familiar with how to revert the DB. All I know how to do is make specific edits. Does anyone know what, specifically, is incorrect in the DB?

 

[1268]

No idea. I didn't make the change and don't know what it was. I'm not familiar with how to revert the DB. All I know how to do is make specific edits. Does anyone know what, specifically, is incorrect in the DB?

The LCN'S seem to have issues, this was from the original submission in 2018 that worked fine,
troymail did all the work on it.


Here is what was submitted (note that the control channel frequency may be changing at times on some sites - not entirely unusual for trunk systems).

Banks County Public Safety

NXDN 4800

WQWJ612

Site 1/Thompson St
======================
557 Thompson St
HOMER, GA
34.313694, -83.472083
10 miles
------------------
RAN 1

453.50625
453.61875
453.73125
460.100000 CONTROL
460.4125

Site 2/Old Orchard Rd
======================
241 OLD ORCHARD RD
BALDWIN, GA
34.479639, -83.549361
10 miles
---------------------
RAN 3

453.3375 CONTROL
453.44375
453.55625
453.7625

Site 3/Damascus Rd
======================
2348A DAMASCUS RD
HOMER, GA
34.422333, -83.440333
10 miles
--------------------
RAN 2
453.25625 CONTROL
453.45625
453.6625
460.13125
460.41875

Site 4/Hwy 441
======================
30987A HWY 441
COMMERCE, GA
34.246444, -83.455861
10 miles
--------------
RAN 5

453.34375 CONTROL
453.58125
453.74375
453.9
460.10625
460.4
460.5
460.61875

Site 5/Gillsville
======================
2 MI NNW
GILLSVILLE, GA (HALL County)
34.335833, -83.651667
10 miles
-----------------
RAN 4

453.26875 CONTROL
453.41875
453.5625
460.2
460.40625
460.55


TALKGROUPS----

TGID AlphaTag
----- -----------------------------
43 County Roads
50 Sheriff - Dispatch
56 Sheriff - Detention Center
57 Sheriff - Special Assignments
80 Fire/EMS Dispatch


There is another site that was recently licensed (ILA) but we haven't detected that site being active yet.


Additional licensed frequencies not yet seen active:

Site 1:
*453.168750 (not seen yet)
*453.356250 (not seen yet)

Site 2:
*453.225 (not seen yet)
*453.65625 (not seen yet)
*460.0625 (not seen yet)
*460.16875 (not seen yet)

Site 3:
*453.56875 (not seen yet)


Site 6 (8) - WESLEY CHAPEL RD AND HUDSON RIVER CHURCH RD, ILA (Grant 11/29/2017)
453.31250
453.78750
453.85
453.97500
460.35
460.57500

 

[DanRollman]

The LCN'S seem to have issues, this was from the original submission in 2018 that worked fine,
troymail did all the work on it.


Here is what was submitted (note that the control channel frequency may be changing at times on some sites - not entirely unusual for trunk systems).

Banks County Public Safety

NXDN 4800

WQWJ612

Site 1/Thompson St
======================
557 Thompson St
HOMER, GA
34.313694, -83.472083
10 miles
------------------
RAN 1

453.50625
453.61875
453.73125
460.100000 CONTROL
460.4125

Site 2/Old Orchard Rd
======================
241 OLD ORCHARD RD
BALDWIN, GA
34.479639, -83.549361
10 miles
---------------------
RAN 3

453.3375 CONTROL
453.44375
453.55625
453.7625

Site 3/Damascus Rd
======================
2348A DAMASCUS RD
HOMER, GA
34.422333, -83.440333
10 miles
--------------------
RAN 2
453.25625 CONTROL
453.45625
453.6625
460.13125
460.41875

Site 4/Hwy 441
======================
30987A HWY 441
COMMERCE, GA
34.246444, -83.455861
10 miles
--------------
RAN 5

453.34375 CONTROL
453.58125
453.74375
453.9
460.10625
460.4
460.5
460.61875

Site 5/Gillsville
======================
2 MI NNW
GILLSVILLE, GA (HALL County)
34.335833, -83.651667
10 miles
-----------------
RAN 4

453.26875 CONTROL
453.41875
453.5625
460.2
460.40625
460.55


TALKGROUPS----

TGID AlphaTag
----- -----------------------------
43 County Roads
50 Sheriff - Dispatch
56 Sheriff - Detention Center
57 Sheriff - Special Assignments
80 Fire/EMS Dispatch


There is another site that was recently licensed (ILA) but we haven't detected that site being active yet.


Additional licensed frequencies not yet seen active:

Site 1:
*453.168750 (not seen yet)
*453.356250 (not seen yet)

Site 2:
*453.225 (not seen yet)
*453.65625 (not seen yet)
*460.0625 (not seen yet)
*460.16875 (not seen yet)

Site 3:
*453.56875 (not seen yet)


Site 6 (8) - WESLEY CHAPEL RD AND HUDSON RIVER CHURCH RD, ILA (Grant 11/29/2017)
453.31250
453.78750
453.85
453.97500
460.35
460.57500

But that submission doesn't show any LCNs (e.g. NXDN channel IDs). Do you know which frequency uses which NXDN Channel ID on the system?

 

[DanRollman]

Is anyone within receiving distance of this system able to just run LCN finder on their scanner and solve this once and for all?

 

[country2]

I'm running the trx-1 but if the LCN is the same as Channel ID (all these terms are new to me as I'm still used to old school) I'll see what I can come up with.

 

[N8IAA]

I'm running the trx-1 but if the LCN is the same as Channel ID (all these terms are new to me as I'm still used to old school) I'll see what I can come up with.

No LCN's needed in the TRX-1. Will scan the county NXDN system regardless.

No idea what you are referring to with Channel ID (frequency?). TGID is what is assigned to the Sheriff's office, EMS, etc.

 

[country2]

Well I know when I scan the NXDN it also shows Channel ID and since DanRollman said "e.g. NXDN channel IDs" figured they are the same...heck I don't know..lol!

 

[N8IAA]

Well I know when I scan the NXDN it also shows Channel ID and since DanRollman said "e.g. NXDN channel IDs" figured they are the same...heck I don't know..lol!

Being that I don't have a TRX series, just a WS1088, I can't listen to Banks. Used to be able when they were analog conventional. When they went NXDN, that was it for me. Can only monitor DMR systems with my scanner.

Channel ID might be the frequency, or , if it shows something other than that, press the pause button to hold on the TGID. There is, at the bottom, when a TGID becomes active, is the RadioID. That is the ID of the particular radio. All have that ID, including dispatch.

Let me know what the Channel ID shows. Maybe we can figure it out together.

 

[DanRollman]

Well I know when I scan the NXDN it also shows Channel ID and since DanRollman said "e.g. NXDN channel IDs" figured they are the same...heck I don't know..lol!

I'm not a NXDN expert, but I think it may be the NXDN equivalent of LCN (different name). The RR database has a space for channel ID in the Site settings page of a NXDN system in the same space where it asks for an LCN in a DMR or LTR system.

 

[country2]

ooops put my glasses on and started watching the scanner and well its not flashing Channel ID but radio ID...sorry.

 

[w4amp]

I can't receive it any more Dan. 73

 

[country2]

Hmmm I'm scanning Banks and get pretty much everything on Homer 1 and Commere. I just programmed in what on RR and a few more I found running the search scan or whatever its called.

 

[twotoejoe]

I ran LCN finder on Banks County several months ago and submitted my finds to the RR database. They were in there the last time I checked.

 

[DanRollman]

I ran LCN finder on Banks County several months ago and submitted my finds to the RR database. They were in there the last time I checked.

They are still in the DB - Homer 2, Gillsville and Baldwin sites have LCNs. People in this thread have been talking about a recent change to the DB, but the last changes were your additions of LCNs in July. So I don't know what the issue is.