Bureau of Land Management Nationwide Administrative Unit Map

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Now Arizona, State Office #2. Some state maps are PDF files and some are pictures. Dad apologizes for the blurry pictures. The BLM doesn't have every state's map of this format available, so he had to "snip" them from an online brochure then blow them up. Garbage in, garbage out.2016 (02) BLM Arizona District Field Office Map.JPG
 

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California State Office (#3) I forgot to mention that many district offices also contain one or all of the field offices in the state in the same large building. How they do that is all about workload, distances, and resource locations. A lot of districts have detached field offices and not one sharing the same building as the district.

BLM - #3 California State Office

2016 (03) BLM California District Field Office Map.JPG
 

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Eastern States State Office (#5)
 

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Idaho State Office (#6)
 

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Utah State Office (#11). If you can't read it due to blurryness "GSENM" stands for "Grand Staircase - Escalante National Monument."


2016 (11) BLM Utah District Field Office Map.JPG
 

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paysonscanner wrote


I haven't found what you described "one has to go to the Statewide Page and then drill down quite a ways under the Federal listings." If someone in an eastern state puts a national park unit or a small national forest in the county pages, you're faced with trying to find it in one of the state's 200 counties when you don't have a good map with you and have no idea what county that federal unit is in. With the unit listed on a federal page you just do something like open the Indiana page, scroll to "U.S. Federal Government" move down the page to Forest Service to find the Hoosier National Forest and the Indiana Dunes National Lakeshore a whole lot quicker than getting mixed up in county pages.

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I think the RRDB is running up against 2 problems here. The RRDB wants to be useful for programming scanners. And the RRDB wants to be useful for people who are searching for info in the RRDB.

IMHO the Middlesex County Mass online entry should have all local freqs, plus all federal and state freqs that are regularly used in Middlesex County. I am sure that the devil is in the details. Should the listed freqs be only the freqs that one can reasonably have a chance of hearing? Should the interops freqs be included for the 1 in a million day when there is a real disaster? yadda yadda ?????

To reach my goal, someone would have to sit down and determine exactly which state and federal channels would apply to exactly which counties across the USA. I know there is a listing which shows which USFS Ranger Districts or Natl Forests exist in which county. The BLM maps that paysonscanner just posted dont have the county breakdowns. I suspect there might be some folks that know exactly which FBI Resident Agent covers which county or portion thereof. But I sure dont.

Question - when someone uses the RRDB to automatically program a scanner (aka 'download the database") - do they receive any state or federal channels? Any interops channels?
 

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Great information in this thread, thanks for this. I have bought some land in Jackson Hole, WY, that is right next to the Wildlife Elk Refuge, as a site for a custom log home we are putting together. Have some good friends there who call that land 'BLM Land' and it's good to know that it will never be built on. (we hope) Our lot is only 10 acres, but the BLM land is our backyard and it is gorgeous and seems to go on forever. So, any and all frequency information for BLM is good news for me right now. I am compiling my own FLs in my scanners for everything Teton county and more. Keep it coming! :)

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As a matter of fact, the version of the RRDB that is downloaded by Uniden Sentinel has federal and statewide frequencies listed under every county.
 

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Great information in this thread, thanks for this. I have bought some land in Jackson Hole, WY, that is right next to the Wildlife Elk Refuge, as a site for a custom log home we are putting together. Have some good friends there who call that land 'BLM Land' and it's good to know that it will never be built on. (we hope) Our lot is only 10 acres, but the BLM land is our backyard and it is gorgeous and seems to go on forever. So, any and all frequency information for BLM is good news for me right now. I am compiling my own FLs in my scanners for everything Teton county and more. Keep it coming! :)

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I wasn't aware that there is any BLM land near Jackson, WY, but found there is some. Take a look at this map and article from a couple of years ago,

Game and Fish open to BLM land transfers

From my dad,

"Most of these parcels are in the riparian areas along the Snake River, however it looks like there is a 40 acre parcel along the Gros Ventre River that borders the Elk Refuge. The National Elk Refuge is managed by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and is not BLM land. This article highlights that you can't think of federal land ownership, especially those lands that are scattered or next to private land being developed, as remaining in federal ownership forever. Isolated parcels of federal land that have development potential often have enough value that they are used to consolidate land ownership elsewhere or pick up valuable land that is surrounded entirely by National Forest land, National Wildlife Refuge land, National Park land, or BLM land. Often these isolated private lands have high value resources, such as recreation, wildlife/fisheries, scenic, watershed or may even be surrounded by Congressionally designated wilderness lands.

My dad was involved in surveying to various degrees during his civil engineer career with the U.S. Forest Service. Sometimes they would get a rush job for surveying the boundaries of federal lands being transferred from public ownership to private ownership and for the private ownership transferred into public ownership in exchange. These rush jobs would come about while the exchange was at a critical stage of the process and the actual location of the lands came into question. Land exchanges are very complex and difficult to accomplish. Sometimes developers or others will buy up key pieces of private lands elsewhere that have public resource value and wait 10 or more years until a land exchange can be completed. Sometimes groups such as the Trust for Public Lands or the Nature Conservancy will buy up private parcels and make the land exchange, then sell the private land to raise more funds to buy more private land for future land exchanges that will result in a public resource benefit. Sometimes the Nature Conservancy will retain the land, purchase additional private lands adjecent to the parcel they traded for to establish a preserve, which they establish due to some critical vegetation or wildlife species that might exist on those lands.

Public land management is complex and often not straightforward. It is best not to rely on or place much credibility on "word of mouth" information. Some of the worst information often comes from real estate agents/brokers/firms."

Thanks Daddy! He's pretty sharp at 92, huh!

I've not seen any listings for the BLM having any communications infrastructure close to that area. The parcels involved are remote from other BLM managed land and are small in size. There might even be a cooperative agreement with the U.S. Forest Service or U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to manage these parcels for the BLM in due to their distance from other BLM lands.

I'm glad the maps helped you and I hope this long post will also do so.
 
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1. The Radio Reference Data Base (RRDB) that I see online at radioreference.com is organized at the county level. But State freqs and Federal freqs are not usually shown at the county level in the RRDB usually. Except for the federal TRSs. [Middlesex County, Massachusetts (MA) Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference - Middlesex County in Massachusetts - Bedford VA Hosp is listed under Bedford - Concord State Prison is listed under Concord - but no 'non TRS' listings here for Hanscom AFB - no listing for State EMA VHF system - etc]

Comparing a county in the eastern U.S. to those in the western part of the country is kinda an apples and oranges thing. One example is that a national forest may span several counties. Here close to home, the Tonto National Forest is located in portions of 4 Arizona counties, Yavapai, Gila, Maricopa and Pinal. It would be confusing and would duplicate a lot of information to list this forest on those county pages to the exclusion of having it on a federal government page. Some of the repeater sites have coverage areas that include more than 1 county, the best example being Mt. Ord, which covers the better part of all 4 counties.
 

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Great information in this thread, thanks for this. I have bought some land in Jackson Hole, WY, that is right next to the Wildlife Elk Refuge, as a site for a custom log home we are putting together. Have some good friends there who call that land 'BLM Land' and it's good to know that it will never be built on. (we hope) Our lot is only 10 acres, but the BLM land is our backyard and it is gorgeous and seems to go on forever. So, any and all frequency information for BLM is good news for me right now. I am compiling my own FLs in my scanners for everything Teton county and more. Keep it coming! :)

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Dad added that there are some land laws that apply to BLM land that don't apply to the other natural resource/land management agencies. The BLM has the authority to grant lands to public agencies for such things as county and city parks, for schools and to states as is being discussed in the article you can link to. The other natural resource/land management agencies of the federal government don't have this authority because Congress explicity does not want them to.
 

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Very helpful articles and postings. I am not entirely sure my source of information is indeed valid, as I get the impression that he thinks all federal land is BLM land and that is not the case, it seems. He made the comment to me a while ago, 'well, if it's federal land then you're dealing with the Bureau of Land Management'. I don't know at this point, but I do know that the real estate agent told us it was federally protected land and it would not be sold anytime soon, so that is good enough for me. Ten years from now I don't want to be looking at bulldozers and casinos and hotels.
 
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