Can anyone top these speed tests (on your smartphone?!)

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T-Mobile consistently mops the floor of Verizon in Atlanta. Not to mention, T-Mobile uses world standard GSM/UMTS core, which supports simultaneous voice and data on their 4G network, advanced calling features (like multi-party conferencing), and WiFi calling which works anywhere in the world with no need for some proprietary gateway or expensive pico cell.

Verizon still clings to their ancient 1995 era CDMA2000 ANSI-41 core which has the worst audio quality on voice calls, is only used in a handful of countries outside North America, and does not support simultaneous voice and data sessions (ever wonder why an iPhone on VZW won't let you make calls and surf at the same time? Now you know). Those times when you wander outside their LTE footprint and are on their pathetic CDMA EV-DO turd network, you'll remember what 2001 felt like cellular data was back then.

Verizon is overpriced and over rated. You can't use unlocked, unbranded devices on their network without jumping through hoops, the company is very customer unfriendly, and their network is a hodgepodge of ancient technology cobbled together with LTE. Maybe when they get rid of that horrible 3G CDMA core and migrate fully to MAP/GSM/UMTS/LTE all the way they will catch up with T-Mobile, AT&T and the the rest of the world's wireless technology.
 

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okay rapid, since you want to draw it out, click on the results tab of those speed tests and what do you see at the bottom of each one like in mine?

its not that hard...see


MTS, CDMA Rev. A was launched in 2002. 3g is merely a fall back. if you configure a phone right you do not lose 4g while on a phone call. with a new 1900PCS Band coming back to further the 100 Mbit X-LTE in the works now for end of 2015 into 2016 pushing it to the LTE max of nearly 300 mbit.

their 3g is ending at the q4 of 2015. full discontinuance of 3g.

i love the end point ENC that gives police a ***** time trying to stingray me. love how VZW will not bow down to erroneous gov. requests. and denied the most number of data requests by the gov. 4 years in a row.

i have zero problems with data and voice simultaneously. that i-phlop 6 is one of the reasons with its 2 year old set of technologies.

CS is nothing new, i don't even bother with them, what company never has problems anyways at the first level of CS and TS personnel? i get right to Tier II and have zero issues with them.

hate all you want, IGDAF honestly. i have had zero issues with them. and the service suits me fine.
 

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MTS, CDMA Rev. A was launched in 2002. 3g is merely a fall back. if you configure a phone right you do not lose 4g while on a phone call.

Not possible on an iphone 4, 4s, 5 or 5s on VZW. There are two different radios. Make a phone call? You drop to their ancient 2002 CDMA rev A garbage.

Android phones have to run two radios. Ever wonder why until recently ALL VZW phones were customized? Just like Sprint. CDMA is a walled garden of proprietary garbage. ANSI-41 is ancient technology. CDMA REV A still relies on an ANSI-41 core which was rolled out in the early 1990s. Please.

their 3g is ending at the q4 of 2015. full discontinuance of 3g.

Really? There seems to be conflicting information on this. Can your provide a link to an official Verizon statement?

i love the end point ENC that gives police a ***** time trying to stingray me.

Oh really. You're funny. UMTS has provided end to end encryption. Guess what, the cartels will bow down to any homeland security person who asks. Including your blessed Verizon. you can thank Georgie Bush and Cheney for that, you know, the USA Patriot Act.

love how VZW will not bow down to erroneous gov. requests. and denied the most number of data requests by the gov. 4 years in a row.

You're living in fantasy land. Verizon has, and will, give up your layer 3 data to any law enforcement that asks for it, as does AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint and the rest of the smaller members of the telecom mafia. They are ALL in bed with the government.

Someone named Edward Snowden kind let that cat out of the bag a couple years ago. Prehaps you've heard of him.

CS is nothing new, i don't even bother with them, what company never has problems anyways at the first level of CS and TS personnel? i get right to Tier II and have zero issues with them.

If you pay the rape off prices that VZW charges, they should roll out the red carpet and pick you up in a limo. Instead, they are some of rudest, incompetent and snot nosed people I've ever dealt with. Was a customer for 15 years. Ask me how I know.

hate all you want, IGDAF honestly. i have had zero issues with them. and the service suits me fine.

Good for you, but that doesn't mean some of us aren't happy getting better data speeds, better voice call quality, better customer service and paying about 1/2 what you do with someone else.
 

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this should give you enough to read.....

https://www.google.com/search?q=verizon+to+end+3g+services

just a good 3 pages of 3g ending articles. 90% of them say end of 2015.


i get the speed i need for what i do. even with 1 or 2 bars i still hit 30-40 Mbit service. but okay..... i get service were T-mobile had nothing, boost had nothing, att had nothing..... but verizon DID always have it. even to this day.
 

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Cap Star, I think you're the only one in the thread who's "hating" because all I've done was post my results and findings after recently signing on with a different carrier.I'm still a customer of both tmobile and verizon and will be for another month so. I don't doubt that t-mobile has made many big improvements to their network in recent years because apparently a lot of their customers don't even realize that they're getting better performance than those who are paying more with a different carrier. Tmobile is very competitive.Verizon is not. I think we can at least agree on that. When the clerk in the verizon company store literally showed me the door and said "there's the door," when I mentioned the competitor across the street, that's really what did it for me.
 

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this should give you enough to read.....
https://www.google.com/search?q=verizon+to+end+3g+services

just a good 3 pages of 3g ending articles. 90% of them say end of 2015.

None of those search results are OFFICIAL Verizon statements. If they are shutting off their 3G EV-DO network, maybe you should ask them to pull all these 3G only devices from their website which they are currently selling with 2 year handcuffs. Which means they would be contractually obligated to provide service to for 2 years from today, which would be May 2017.

Everything on their website indicates they will be running their crummy ancient 3G network for years to come. They may reduce capacity, but I'd almost be willing to bet real money your 3G 1X/EVDO will be alive and well 2 years from now or more.

Speaking of crummy 3G, I was in northern Meriwether county, GA where T-Mobile doesn't supposedly have service, yet I had full 4G LTE with 15-20mps down and 5mb up in the middle of nowhere, no not roaming on AT&T, SignalCheck Pro confirmed I was on T-Mobile 310-260 band 2 (1900MHz). Meanwhile my friend had a weak 2 bar of that turdy 3G CDMA garbage and couldn't even get on Echolink. Pathetic.

Nice to pay less, not get treated like crap, be able to use pretty much ANY unlocked and unbranded UMTS/LTE phone I want, and not have to sign a contract of adhesion either.
 

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you know, bringing a phone across networks is not that hard anymore. now that PUK Codes are provided at ease instead of dodging hoops and rings of fire. and verizon makes it the EASIEST to migrate into or out of. the PUK is listed right in your account with verizon on the first page when you login.

the new ruling with the FCC says phones cannot be network locked unless they are proprietary to the seller. so I-pharts.... galaxy, note.... all the common devices and even some of the DROID phones now, are unlocked from factory. even my DROID Turbo 64 is factory unlocked.

either way, i went to verizon because 4 of my commonly traveled places had squat for service with everything BUT verizon. have not been happier yet. probably wont be either.
 

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you know, bringing a phone across networks is not that hard anymore. now that PUK Codes are provided at ease instead of dodging hoops and rings of fire.

Yep, GSM/UMTS carriers have been doing it for decades. In most parts of the world, you buy the phone from whoever, buy the SIM, and you walk away.

and verizon makes it the EASIEST to migrate into or out of. .

How can a carrier who uses a CDMA ANSI-41 hodgepodge network core accomplish this? So you're telling me I can walk into a Verizon store, ask for a SIM card and put it in an unlocked, unbranded phone and it will work? And they support this? Documentation please.

the new ruling with the FCC says phones cannot be network locked unless they are proprietary to the seller. so I-pharts.... galaxy, note.... all the common devices and even some of the DROID phones now, are unlocked from factory. even my DROID Turbo 64 is factory unlocked.

Hogwash. Sprint locks all their phones. All the US carriers do if you buy a subsidized handset, which most people are con jobbed into doing.

But I'll ask again, you're telling me I can walk into a Verizon CORPORATE store and buy a SIM card and use it with any unlocked/unbranded phone like I can with AT&T and T-Mobile?

Think very carefully about your answer before you make yourself sound silly...

either way, i went to verizon because 4 of my commonly traveled places had squat for service with everything BUT verizon. have not been happier yet. probably wont be either.

Good for you. I went to T-Mobile because it works better than Verizon in ALL the places I live, work and play in, costs about HALF, gives me data speeds I've never seen on VZW, and I can use any damn phone I want without playing their silly games. And their stores are well stocked with nice eye candy too. Not that I ever have to visit one, because they don't play games with the bill, people can hear me CLEARLY when I call them, and the money I save I can spend on things like APX6000s.
 

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So you're telling me I can walk into a Verizon store, ask for a SIM card and put it in an unlocked, unbranded phone and it will work? And they support this? Documentation please.


But I'll ask again, you're telling me I can walk into a Verizon CORPORATE store and buy a SIM card and use it with any unlocked/unbranded phone like I can with AT&T and T-Mobile?

Think very carefully about your answer before you make yourself sound silly...

here is my "silly answer".. YES you can. because guess what MTS, the DROID Series phones are FACTORY UNLOCKED WITH SIM CARDS AND BOTH GSM AND CDMA ENABLED.

this is how my DROID Turbo, not even a year old phone was sent to me: WITH A DAMN SIM CARD!!

I just took these photos with my roommates I-phart 6. don't believe me now? then i have no other words to tell you than, go check your own damn self!


gets really damn stupid to have to show you out with proof like this. who is the "silly" one now MTS? i KNEW what i was saying. before that DROID Turbo, i had the DROID Ultra, and guess what..... IT HAD A SIM CARD ALSO. past that, a DROID Bionic, guess what........yup..... ANOTHER SIM CARD!! and all 4G LTE Devices.
 

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I have a new 2015 droid turbo and it wasn't unlocked.took it to ALL carriers,then back to Verizon refund because it's not unlocked nor use a sim.just my .02
 

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and you are full of it. pull out your volume key button and its right there. look at my photos

you obviously forgot to provide the PUK Code to any of the carriers also.
 
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here is my "silly answer".. YES you can. because guess what MTS, the DROID Series phones are FACTORY UNLOCKED WITH SIM CARDS AND BOTH GSM AND CDMA ENABLED.

I'll ask again...you're telling me I can get a SIM from Verizon and use it with ANY unlocked UMTS/LTE phone? Think REAL HARD because I am not just talking about a couple of models like the Droid, Iphone, etc.

I mean ANY UNLOCKED, UNBRANDED phone, you know, like you can with a REAL GSM/UMTS provider? I am well aware that a few phones are sold unlocked. Most are not. Most won't work for other reasons.

I just took these photos with my roommates I-phart 6. don't believe me now? then i have no other words to tell you than, go check your own damn self!

We all know new phones like the Iphone 6 work. I was referring to the millions of unlocked, unbranded phones currently available on the market that are based on the GSM/UMTS world standard that the ROTW uses.

So...consider putting it back in your pants and get back to me with an intelligent answer (P.S. I already know the answer, I just want to see what entertaining stuff you will spew forth with).

4G SIM Information | Verizon Wireless

Verizon Tier II Tech just told me the number of devices supported by 4G LTE SIM's = anything supported by 4G LTE and/or unlocked or can be unlocked with a puk code.

You're missing a huge point. Verizon's network isn't all 4G LTE. In most places, their turdy, ancient, slow and muddy sounding 3G EVDO CDMA is where you make VOICE CALLS.

Only SOME USA models of high end phones even support CDMA2000. You've also never provided any proof that Verizon is shutting off their CDMA2000 network this year, as I showed you, they are happily selling a complete line of 3G CDMA ONLY devices with 2 year contracts on their website. In case you overlooked it...

Unlike a real GSM/UMTS/LTE provider, you can't just bring ANY GSM/UMTS/LTE phone to Verizon. That's a real turn off to me. They also don't make it easy as according to this, your device must be "certified" to be added to their proprietary hodgepodge network. Prehaps you can call them and let us know what they say. I hear their customer service is really top notch and staffed with friendly representatives waiting to take your call. Oh that's right, unlike my provider, Verizon customer service closes at 10PM.
 

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Do you see this?
This is a network extender.
I needed to get this in order to send MMS and have a reasonably confident signal for making phone calls with Verizon.
It worked very well. I highly recommend getting one if you have Verizon and have trouble with weak signal as I did.
Of course, on Tmobile, you can just use wifi calling and you don't have to buy a separate $250 device.
Sort of like those claims that "3g is ending," so too is the use of network extenders. They're being phased out here.
 

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MTS, call them your damn self then, IDGAF anymore. i JUST talked to Tier II, and i love the reference to the 2013 forums you linked me too.

you are obviously too scared to call Tier II which NEVER closes which you got that part wrong also. basic CS does not know ****. why do you think i avoid them like a digital plague?

wish i could have recorded the phone call with Anna from Tier II, i talked to who gave me the 4G Links for SIM Cards. which you said do not exist. obviously they do. i was never talking about the 3g ****, you assumed that into the conversation. and ill say it one more time,

any 4g LTE device that is capable of being unlocked by PUK Code or is already unlocked can be used with either a 4G SIM or 4G Micro SIM card. if they did not sell them WTF is this:

http://www.verizonwireless.com/accessories/4g-sim-activation-kit/



beyond that, i do not know what else to attempt to get you to see. either you are just as stubborn as some other people around here, or just do not care to listen.

IM TELLING YOU IT IS POSSIBLE. VERIZON HAS PROVIDED THE INFO WHICH I LINKED YOU TO

if you cannot accept that, you are a lost cause.

DONE!
 
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Was at a Dr.'s appointment with my Wife a few days ago and figured I'd check out the speeds in that area of Las Vegas (down in the southwest not too far from McCarran International Airport). It's the best I've had in the Las Vegas area so I ran a bunch of 'em in sequence - my T-Mobile service let's me do unlimited speed testing without dinging my data so, I literally did over 1.8GB of speed tests in a relatively short amount of time. I mean, at these actual consistent speeds, grabbing a gig and more of data happens faster than you realize. :)

As for the discussion about Verizon devices and using them with other carriers, it works like this: in the FCC auctions for new frequency bands in 2012-2013, Verizon ended up the big winner overall by gaining a huge chunk of 700 MHz spectrum. One of the caveats of the deal, however, was that they agreed to sell their devices from summer 2013 on GSM unlocked from the factory.

The particular technology that Verizon (and Sprint too) use for their 4G LTE capability requires the use of a SIM card in addition to the CDMA radios inside the devices; the SIM card works with the GSM radios their devices also have and so you're left with a device that can connect to both types of networks. Sprint, of course, likes to be the bastard of the litter and while their devices can be SIM unlocked for GSM carriers they tend to block such unlocking domestically meaning here in the US. It's a crappy thing but there are almost always workarounds that involve either flashing a non-domestic radio file on a given device or using a patch of some kind to system files on the device which 'unlocks' the GSM capability.

With respect to Verizon, the Droid Ultra was the first device they sold (in the summer of 2013) that came completely unlocked for GSM operation because of that auction caveat I mentioned earlier. The Droid MAXX and the Droid Mini followed soon after (same hardware basically, they're Droid versions of the Moto X), and pretty much every device they've sold since is GSM unlocked including the Droid TURBO - they're required by law and the auction caveat to sell the devices unlocked for GSM operation. Good thing for consumers, but not always the cheapest solution since if you want to get the device but not use it with Verizon obviously you'll have to pay the full retail or asking price to get the hardware outright.

The speed tests in the image below were done using a Motorola Droid MAXX (manufactured in Dec 2014, a Verizon Droid device) with my T-Mobile nanoSIM in place using T-Mobile's $30/month 100 mins/unlimited texts/5GB data up to 4G speeds then throttled to 2G/EDGE speeds. Like I said, this plan allows me to do unlimited speed tests as well as stream music from over 30 online music services like Spotify, Pandora, Slacker, and many others. They recently added Google Play Music to that Music Freedom program so I uploaded over 19,000 songs to my Google Play Music account and I use that for listening nowadays. Since May 1st I've pulled down almost 18GB of my own music off my Play Music account + those crazy speed tests that I've been doing all over town - close to 20GB of data so far. When I check my actual T-Mobile data usage, it's about 900MB so far... can't beat it for $30 a month. ;)

The Droid MAXX covers LTE Band 4 which is what overlaps on T-Mobile hence me being able to make use of it. Works great, no issues, and I typically get 40+ hours of use from this smartphone before having to plug back in to charge - that's with over 6 hours of SOT aka screen on time as well. Not bad for a $50 phone I got on craigslist, eh?

Just for the record: you can use pretty much any Verizon-sold smartphone (since summer 2013) with any GSM carrier because they're unlocked for GSM operation and use SIM cards - you could walk into a Verizon store today, pay full price for a Droid TURBO, take out the Verizon SIM card and put in an AT&T or T-Mobile (or some MVNO that uses those networks), make sure the APN info is accurate and available (might have to add it if not), and voila, 4G LTE service (if it's available in your area, of course) on any of those carriers without issues.

You can't, of course, take any old device to Verizon, however. It's a one-way ride in those respects, and even though Sprint devices are primarily CDMA-based as well they won't work on Verizon's network because of dissimilar bands in use so Sprint devices are one-way in a similar respect. I owned an LG G2 (Sprint model) and installed a custom ROM on it known as CloudyG2 which opened up the radio for GSM operation and used it with my T-Mobile account just the same as I'm doing with this Droid MAXX, never had problems with it at all. In fact I've owned like 10 Verizon devices (and a few Sprint ones too) over the past 2+ years and used all of them with my T-Mobile service and never had problems.
 

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Bro0adband, thanks for your intelligent, concise and educated reply. Exactly what this thread needed, and confirms what I have been saying. Verizon uses two different network technologies which means an unlocked phone has to support BOTH CDMA and LTE to use on their hodgepdge network. No CDMA=no go. Limits one to basically using newer higher tier devices.

Appreciate you posting your T-Mobile speed tests. Those are typical of what I see here in Atlanta. They knock VZW and AT&Ts you know what in the dirt speed wise...every...single...time. Even during peak use periods in busy areas.

Their unlimited use of Ookla and SpeedTest apps is so that their data is collected and reported. They WANT users to test their network. Unlimited streaming is great isn't it? No worry about being throttled for listening to internet radio.

Nice to be able to use whatever device we want, not have some stupid contract of adhesion, and deal with rude, and fight with rude and pompous employees either. It's also great to pay half of what everyone else does.
 

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here is my "silly answer".. YES you can. because guess what MTS, the DROID Series phones are FACTORY UNLOCKED WITH SIM CARDS AND BOTH GSM AND CDMA ENABLED.

this is how my DROID Turbo, not even a year old phone was sent to me: WITH A DAMN SIM CARD!!

I just took these photos with my roommates I-phart 6. don't believe me now? then i have no other words to tell you than, go check your own damn self!


gets really damn stupid to have to show you out with proof like this. who is the "silly" one now MTS? i KNEW what i was saying. before that DROID Turbo, i had the DROID Ultra, and guess what..... IT HAD A SIM CARD ALSO. past that, a DROID Bionic, guess what........yup..... ANOTHER SIM CARD!! and all 4G LTE Devices.

I think the issue here is a bit of misunderstanding, nothing more than that. The other person said:

So you're telling me I can walk into a Verizon store, ask for a SIM card and put it in an unlocked, unbranded phone and it will work? And they support this? Documentation please.

Read that carefully and you should be able to see the question being asked more clearly:

He's asking if he can walk into a Verizon store with a non-Verizon phone, one that's unlocked for GSM use (not SIM locked either), ask for a Verizon SIM card (since he's in a Verizon store), put that Verizon SIM card in the non-Verizon phone and it'll connect and work with Verizon's network.

That is, of course, not an actual possibility - it won't work.

I can see how someone would misunderstand the question in light of the tone of the thread at this point - way too much personal emotional crap, seriously - but it's true: you can't use a non-Verizon device (meaning a device not sold by Verizon for use on their own network) with Verizon. As I mentioned above even in spite of Verizon and Sprint both being CDMA-based carriers primarily their devices are not interchangeable and this applies to anything GSM-based as well.

So, that's the read I got on this: a simple misunderstanding because it was interpreted backwards. The guy asked if he could use any non-Verizon device with a Verizon SIM card and get service from Verizon and the answer is no, that won't work.

You can, however, walk into a Verizon store, buy most any Verizon device sold since summer 2013 and then put any GSM carrier's SIM card in the SIM card slot and it'll then work with that carrier, which is what we're talking about with respect to Verizon devices...

See how that works? :D
 

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The guy asked if he could use any non-Verizon device with a Verizon SIM card and get service from Verizon and the answer is no, that won't work.

That was all I was trying to explain. Unlike a GSM/UMTS carrier, with Verizon and Sprint, you are limited to using either handsets they sell/brand or approve on their network.

You can't just use ANY unlocked/unbranded handset you wish. So long as they run a CDMA network for voice/SMS, you WILL use one of their phones or nothing at all on THEIR network. End of story.

You can, however, walk into a Verizon store, buy most any Verizon device sold since summer 2013 and then put any GSM carrier's SIM card in the SIM card slot and it'll then work with that carrier, which is what we're talking about with respect to Verizon devices...

That's if Verizon will sell it to you. I know of one recent case where an actual VZW post paid subscriber walked into a VZW corporate store and attempted to purchase an HTC phone at full retail price and VZW REFUSED to complete the sale without attaching it to his account.

So apparently they won't even sell just anyone a phone, even if they come in to buy one at the full retail price plus tax.

What a bunch of scum they are. I've bought several phones from T-Mobile and AT&T stores at retail without ever being hassled like that. They ask if I have an account, I just say "no, it's a gift" and hand over my credit card and they take my money and hand me what I pay for.
 
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