Capacity Plus Tracking issue

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Ok ill try that, one weird thing is 451.9125 appears to be a TIII control channel now, and some references to RAS Aloha, so i dont think its the same system now

I wondered if RAS was playing a role here.... from what I've read, the Unidens are still having issues with RAS... like many things - it works sometimes but not others.

Seems like the scanners are always going to be "chasing" system features and changes. This isn't a new problem but technology changes faster and faster all the time.
 

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I don't have any serious help to offer here but I am monitoring the thread to learn (as always). However, what did strike me as odd in the video was seeing the Rest indicator jumping all over the place with or without any activity at various times seemed odd to me. Does anyone else think that is normal?

There may be more than just voice traffic going on. The system may have a dispatch console and the radios could be utilizing ARS and registering and unregistering when they are turned on and off. The system I mentioned that I put in uses 4 repeaters and supports more than 300 subscribers. With radios being turned on and off all the time, you'll never be able to follow the rest channel. Likewise if they are using GPS.
 

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Ok stream is back up


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There may be more than just voice traffic going on. The system may have a dispatch console and the radios could be utilizing ARS and registering and unregistering when they are turned on and off. The system I mentioned that I put in uses 4 repeaters and supports more than 300 subscribers. With radios being turned on and off all the time, you'll never be able to follow the rest channel. Likewise if they are using GPS.

Yeah - I thought about that... I know for some systems (NXDN for sure - maybe not for DMR), DSD will show more information - affiliations, location/GPS transmissions, etc. Most of the time, I've seen this automatically without changing any settings. I suspect some of this is dependent upon what the system is doing too (of course).

In this case, it almost seems like a feature causing the Rest to jump around very quickly intended to make conversations harder to track.
 

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Well it's obviously not programmed correctly, so give my suggestions a try and see how it goes.



Ok will do but it just makes no sense that the other frequencies are not showing up in the list on DSD and the conversations are all showing up


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I guess I’m not thinking outside the box enough


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Ok will do but it just makes no sense that the other frequencies are not showing up in the list on DSD and the conversations are all showing up


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I don't know what else to tell you. I watched the stream, can't hear it on the DSD or the scanner. Others have made suggestions, and if I wanted to hear the system, I'd concentrate on programming the scanner correctly by trial and error. I hope your squelch is set to 2 or so. I don't depend on DSD for my programming, but use the Sentinel programming, and try and figure out as I go along.

Search the bands, see if you hear radio traffic, write down some notes, then program via Sentinel. Or...keep listening to choppy unintelligible conversations...your choice. I hope you get it figured out.
 

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Please don’t think I’m arguing, it’s all good, I’ll keep playing with it today and when I get it figured out I’ll keep you posted


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I'm not entirely ruling out a firmware issue. But, it is unusual for something like this (if it is a bug) to show up so long after the last update.
 

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1.11.31 is what I’m on


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Please don’t think I’m arguing, it’s all good, I’ll keep playing with it today and when I get it figured out I’ll keep you posted


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No I don't think you're arguing, just frustrated. We've all been there and I know you were a contributor during the initial release. I'm not that familiar with DSD, but have seen it working so I don't know how dependable it is? I read UPMan said he hasn't ruled out a firmware issue, and I thought you might have found something this late in the game too. Like I previously posted, I'd shut the DSD down, start programming from scratch via Sentinel and give it a whirl. I've been very successful programming many of these systems (Except Tier 3), so I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. You have the attention of the right person on here, you do know what you're doing and i'll keep my fingers crossed you get it figured out. Keep us up to date and good luck.
 

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No I don't think you're arguing, just frustrated. We've all been there and I know you were a contributor during the initial release. I'm not that familiar with DSD, but have seen it working so I don't know how dependable it is? I read UPMan said he hasn't ruled out a firmware issue, and I thought you might have found something this late in the game too. Like I previously posted, I'd shut the DSD down, start programming from scratch via Sentinel and give it a whirl. I've been very successful programming many of these systems (Except Tier 3), so I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. You have the attention of the right person on here, you do know what you're doing and i'll keep my fingers crossed you get it figured out. Keep us up to date and good luck.

i just hate to get beat by simple things lol

the reason i use DSD is it gives an easy overview of generally how a system works, the reason dsd is missing transmissions is it does not have trunk following for CAP plus systems so im relegated to using the scanner plugin for SDR# and since there was extra transmissions (extra data stream and a CW ID) it will not immediately go to the next frequency.

given that the 536 within 5 minutes was able to set the LCN correctly as UPman said, im still not convinced it is missing frequencies in the plan,, if it was missing frequencies DSD should be showing those in the channel display i.e it should show slots 3-4 and 7-8 without a frequency once a transmission occurs on those slots, meaning the slots are used but the frequency has not been entered in the file yet. now i'm not turning this into a DSD thread but am using this as a tool to see if something is amiss with my 536



slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 CSBK Cap+ RestCh=2 ActiveCh:TG=10:195

example of the data stream here, the radio is tuned to the Rest Channel (Channel 2 - LCN 1 Slot 2)
there is an active voice call on channel 10 (in this case LCN 5 Slot 2)

so i have TG 195 saved and am holding on it (the most active an ambulance company)

the screenshot is an example of the situation

what looks like to me like is happening is that the following is happening

Rest Channel is on LCN 1 Slot 1
Voice Call on LCN 1 Slot - Scanner Catches it
Voice Call (Reply) on LCN 1 Slot 1, Rest Channel swapped to LCN 1 Slot 2 - Scanner Catches it
Rest Channel Moves to LCN 5 Slot 1 while TG195 is still active on LCN 1 Slot 1
once TG 195 relinquishes the slot the scanner instantly finds the rest channel, however sometimes on this system and other CAP+ ones i have seen there can be transmissions on the non rest channel, the rest channel is sending the data for that transmission, but somehow the 536 misses it and sits on the rest channel, it wont pick up the voice from 195 until the rest and voice channels are synced - i.e. Voice on one slot and Rest on the other in the same LCN

at least that is what i think i am seeing


Edit---- that's exaclty what is happening, i have the scanner sitting on TG 195, 2 Complete transmissions heard on the 536 then the rest channel swapped and you could see and hear the next transmission on a slot other than where the rest channel was on DSD,But the scanner missed it

this is what DSD saw while on the Rest Channel (LCN 1 LSN 1)
slot2 BS DATA DCC=2 CSBK Cap+ RestCh=1 ActiveCh:TG=9:195
-DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=2 CSBK Cap+ RestCh=1 ActiveCh:TG=9:195

the ActiveCh:TG=9:195 is supposed to be telling the radio where the Active transmission for TG 195 is but appears the 536 ignores it
Basically telling it to tune to LCN 5 LSN 1 and its not happening
 
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Here is some outside the box thought.
1. Who is the owner of the system?
2. Have you looked at all the FCC Frequencies for said License Holder?
3. Look here https://digitalfrequencysearch.com/Search/QuickImport.php
4. Find all by the same owner enter in the 436/536 run LNC FINDER enter results and look for changes.



Used them all but I’m leaning towards scanner issue now


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