Yes, there are still multi KWs out there
I still stand by my original statement that most of these "mickeymic" loudmouths have nothing short of delusions of grandeur. If someone did indeed,want to WASTE that much time and money and effort on such a wasteland like the 11meter band by putting crap like that on the air,then they have OTHER serious issues as well! That amount of rf transmitted in close proximity to neighbors and other devices with little or insufficient shielding is going to raise HELL!
I would not want to be that clown,because the people who live nearby,IF NOT the authorities are going to put an end to that disruption of their phones,stereos,tv's,etc.
My 1kw ch.23 neighbor no longer has a working amp thanks to me,and he knows it!
IF there are truthfully stations like that in operation then I'm sure they are in the middle of a swamp somewhere in the deep south...or in the confines of your head,lol!
N9ZAS
I still stand by my original statement that most of these "mickeymic" loudmouths have nothing short of delusions of grandeur. If someone did indeed,want to WASTE that much time and money and effort on such a wasteland like the 11meter band by putting crap like that on the air,then they have OTHER serious issues as well! That amount of rf transmitted in close proximity to neighbors and other devices with little or insufficient shielding is going to raise HELL!
I would not want to be that clown,because the people who live nearby,IF NOT the authorities are going to put an end to that disruption of their phones,stereos,tv's,etc.
My 1kw ch.23 neighbor no longer has a working amp thanks to me,and he knows it!
IF there are truthfully stations like that in operation then I'm sure they are in the middle of a swamp somewhere in the deep south...or in the confines of your head,lol!
N9ZAS
I guess that a Technician class Ham would know more than an Extra class, that has been around radios for 25+ years. How many countries have you worked, John, N9ZAS? Let's do some math, John: Say you have a signal of S7.5 with a 4w radio and a ground plane on single hop E skip. Well, you jump to a 6 element beam mounted horizontal, with a a gain of 15dBi @ 10 degrees (your average angle for Es). Considering most radios are 5dB per S unit (the old standard is 6dB, but most are now around 5dB) you now have a signal of S9+10dB. Now you consider that some of these guys are S9+50dB, or more. That is another 40dB that has to be made up with an amplifier. 4w + 10dB = 40w; 40w + 10dB = 400w. We are now at a total of 20dB. 400w + 10dB = 4000w + 10dB = 40,000w; This is a 40dB gain over 4w.
Some are running a lot more than a single 6 element yagi. The reason I said a horizontal beam was a little know fact by Technicians is a thing called ground gain that you get by mounting an antenna horizontal. When the E skip rolls you will see signals on channel 6 well over S9+30dB. Even with good conditions you will have to have a lot of power to create that kind of a signal. John, I guess that you have not seen how easy it is to get a 30kw mobile amp. I can get one for $5k right now. The only problem is the batteries and alternators that you need to run it. I guess that you have never seen a Chevy Suburban with a 454 big block, running nitrous just to spin the alternators when the amp is keyed. Well, I have. We are talking about a race built engine, with a big cam, ported heads, single plain intake, huge carbs, and the whole nine yards. Drag racing and engine building is another one of my hobbies, so I know how to build these engines as well.
I don't know what you are trying to prove by thinking that you know it all. If you knew more you would not be a technician anymore. I was never a tech. I started in the hobby as a tech+, so I am also a "Know Code HAM." I am also an amplifier builder, antenna designer, audio designer. I am also a DXer, lowbander, EMEer, weak signal VHFer. So I know a thing or 2 about amplifiers, propagation, and antennas. In short, I have more knowledge in my little finger than you do in your whole body.
When you jump up to the big leagues let me know. I don't harp on techs in general, but you want to have this cocky tone and think that you know more than I do, it's on. You are sadly mistaken and opened up a can-of-worms trying something like that with this hombre.
I don't play the high power CB thing anymore. However, like I said, my driver amp was 300w and my main amp was a 3kw dead key. I ran all of this in a Geo Metro with an extra 200 amp GM single wire alternator -- the alternator was mounted to a homemade bracket and was above the hood with a scoop over it. I also used a battery isolator, 2 batteries, and a 3 farad bank of caps. When I keyed down I would have to bring the car up to about 1500rpms (about the point a 1 wire GM alternator kicks in). This idea came from my knowledge of high power car stereos.
Another interesting thing, John. I used to run stacked 8 element beams on 10m, with 1.5kw. This was about 14dBi free space gain. Again, let us do some more math, John: this is 11.5dBd. Okay, say a guy is running a dipole on 10m. My 1.5kw and 14dBd is like the dipole radiating 21093.75w in free space. At 6 degrees the stack of yagis was 13dB (remember a dipole actually has gain out of free space) above the dipole, which would be like radiating 16875w out of the dipole. You know, John, I lived within a 1/4 of a mile from 14 homes and I never had a problem from RFI. You may think this is overkill on 10m. However, I used this setup for scatter modes, aurora, and proved that tropo scatter indeed exists on 10m. So, no, it was not overkill.
You talk like you know about everything that I have talked about above, then, may I ask, why are you still a technician? I have many years under my belt dealing with this stuff. How many years do you have? With this wealth of experience you have where is your Extra ticket? What is this biggest amplifier that you have ever ran? I ran a 10kw (a baby compared to what is out there) from my house a couple times many years ago; I still didn't have any complaints of RFI, which this went into the stacked 8 element yagis after I converted them for 11m. Trust me, your Belden 9913 isn't going to cut it here! Standard gammas, yeah right!
You just don't know what is out there, John. I have seen personally a stack of 11 element yagis with a 20kw amplifier. You haven't seen anything until you have seen an 11m yagi with an 80ft boom. And, 2 of them, mounted side by side 30ft apart, using a rohn tower for a stacking boom. All you can say is, OMG!!
The other thing, John, you are actually bragging about turning somebody in! Oh, you are a special one. Even though I don't do the high power CB thing anymore, I am not go to turn anybody in. If they are playing around on 10m maybe, but other than that I could care less. I have a way of working with people. Plus, I know how to build filters for any amplifier and filter my home electronics. RFI, I ain't got no stinkin' RFI!
One more thing, until you have the experience, John, get back into your corner and keep it to yourself! Get your Extra, some experience, and maybe you can be in my league!
John, AD7VH, east central Nevada
