CFD Apparatus status discussion (Non-Radio Information)

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Station 6 in undergoing major renovations. Ladder 6 has moved to Station 5, AQ/BT 6 have moved to 2 Station. AQ & BT 6 are fully staffed for the summer season. Lately CFD has not renumbered units/radio ID's when they are relocated for renovations.

If there is concrete work being done at Station 2 and MRU 2 has moved to 6 for that reason, then that is why units are sitting outside of Station 2. Station 2 will likely go back to normal once the concrete work is finished, Station 6 Sounds like it will be under reno for awhile. Engine 6 is still running out of Station 6
 

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Well that's honestly relieving that Ladder 6 won't be gone from the core forever. Don't get me wrong fellas, Station 5 is already pretty close to the core but since the beginning of time there have always been 2 Aerial units in downtown.

For the longest time it was Aerial 1 & Aerial 2. Then Aerial 1 & Bronto 2. Back to Aerial 1 & Aerial 2 then Aerial 1 & Aerial 6 and here we are at Ladder 1 & Ladder 6(5). You guys get the idea, downtown needs 2 Ladders.
 

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Heading home and....nobody is at 2. Not a single rig to be seen. Engine and Ladder at 6, Engine and Ladder at 5.
 

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That makes way more sense.
Seeing as 6 is relatively new (still kinda, if you squint) what are they getting done?
Not sure, I was quite surprised a major reno was happening because the Station is only 15 years old. A few things come to mind though - new/larger crew quarters? Extra ff's on the Ladder, more room for summer boat crews. Could be new/bigger gear room for aquatics gear and such (Station 6 is the main water rescue Station), maybe adding an air bottle cascade system in the hall? Apparatus bay floor looks like it needed some work done though! Sorry I don't have any solid insight on it. Good planning though, start the work after stampede!
 

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Ladder, High Rise, and MRU at 2 right now... No engines, no AR/BT, no HM.
I don't like this game anymore.
 
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I can't quite figure out any of these rumors so far. I went by Station 2 yesterday, and nothing was out of the ordinary. Yes, the concrete looks to be refinished, so the trucks are temporarily outside. The three primaries were side-by-side, with a rubble pile in front of E2 bay. In the back EMS are still there, along with MRU2. The parking lot was full, of normal cars. I couldn't see CFD annexing that though.

I know the HazMat one is false. 4 was assigned to 23's working basement fire yesterday, and 17 and 39 were both toned out via dispatch, using their respective call numbers. 16 has an entire space dedicated to HM support and logistics. It's not just the old shop apparatus bay area, but board rooms and testing sites built inside of 16. Why would they ever move? Not to mention there is no space at 2 for all these Auxiliary units. Playing the odds, the most likely HM/MCI event is downtown.
There is no reason to have the HM team on top of such a red zone there. Coming from 16 they still have a good shot in, but have time to prepare before getting into downtown. To have them in the Core offers no asset.

I would love to know what Ladder you guys are referencing. I was at 5 two days ago and it was sitting there in the far bay. Maybe they relocate it downtown at 2 during peak hours, and then bump it back indoors at night? Would love to figure that one out. 1 still has a Ladder, as they took command at the Inglewood job. 8 and 17 also have theirs, as I saw them both yesterday as well. We are so short on Ladders as-is, I'm positive that we can't add an extra one. (Training doesn't even have one right now)

As for the 'Centralized SOC' and Investigation units, that I can't begin to see the point on. The whole point of DC's are to be spread out across the city. Having them all together would be a disaster. Think if 43 or 44 gets a fire, your looking at 20+ minutes of response times.

Does any department in North America do this, no. I would like to think I know quite a few operations of big city FD's. Not one comes to mind for having all DC's in the same place. Investigators are similar, but not totally. Unlike the DC's they could technically run together, but why would they? Especially 39, they have a dedicated Arson Investigation bay. What Investigator would trade an office and heated bay to sit in a Sea Can downtown?

302 MRU, again can't figure this out either. Why would 2 get a second MRU? First of all, we don't have the budget yet for a 3rd, and we certainly don't need 2 MRU's out of one hall. Think about 12 and 22, they would benefit way more from an MRU then a second one at 2. Even 1 MRU is busier! 2 would be my last pick of those 4 halls. I also can't see a 300 series number go to something other then an Engine. Also, as a side note Parkade 2 is still in the hall.

Now the Aquatic Team. Turns out they are still at 6. The Boat and Tow are in the middle bay, and the AQ is facing rear into the alley. Which makes sense, since E/AQ are cross-staffed. Probably good keeping them together. The street construction only affects the left bay (for the time being). This of course, can and most likely will change, but who knows?

Now, think about 2 Station itself. Yes it's a big station, and yes it has lots of dorms. But not enough to facilitate this many firefighters. That I can't understand either. CFD hates putting trucks outside, and rightfully so. When you have summers up to 40c, an winters below 50c, how is that sustainable for fire service? Not to mention the amount of stuff that we have on the trucks.

2 is in a pretty high crime rate area, there is no way those trucks are sitting outside as a permanent measure. Even now, there must be security or a house watch position to make sure nothing is getting tampered with while their on the tarmac. 14 was in a tent for a few months, and it had iPads and MDT's stolen. Radios and flashlights stolen, hoses and tools messed with. They even found a 'houseless' person sleeping in the truck one night. That's in Haysboro, and 2 is in the Core.

Now just a few more quick points. The K9 doesn't exist anymore. Willow rides with the IV on IV1. The Mobile Command is technically cross-staffed with DC1. There is a reason it got moved from 5 Station. Decon doesn't exist. We have a Decon Pod, but that is on the Pod truck of course. Also, last three calls for the Pod truck? 16, 23 and 12. One for the Chemical Fire, one for the Bow River Hydrocarbon spill, and one for the CPS barricade incident on Memorial. Statistically speaking, 2 would be further response time.

Lastly, with AHS, I also can't figure this one out. Last I heard Alpha-202 is moving out as all peak trucks are being repositioned to superstations. The Papa and Sierra units don't even have their waypoints anywhere near 2 Station. The IRP has no intention of moving to 2, and why would they? They have their own 'Fire Station' at old 4 anyways. Full Station for all EMS stuff the IRP needs, there is zero reason to remove them from there.

Would love to hear your guys take on this info. I am by no means an expert, and I certainly don't have any colour to my helmet or bars on my shoulder, but even I can see the huge issues here. There must be more to it, but I cannot see it.

I apologize for the length in this, and I know with new 17 and 38 there will undoubtedly be shake ups. But this just seems too far out of the realm of possibility. I've been surprised by CFD moves before, and I'm sure I will be again. But this seems to have all sorts of errors in it.
 

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Thank you for the input Calgary_Fire_Filmer! I do want to apologize, I thought Station 6 was getting reno'd but its actually all of the street work happening around 6 Station that has cause CFD to move apparatus around for the time being.

Calgary Fire union is starting to heat up the building of Fire Station 3 debate! Hopefully it gets traction and we can see something soon, even if it's just a temporary station.

CFD is deepening its partnership with Tsuut'ina Nations Fire Service, which is great! Tsuut’ina Nation, Calgary Fire Department and Kidde announce fire safety partnerships
 

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Station 3 seems to be a priority for the CFD brass. I gather there is also a quiet nudge going on to replace 1. Station 1 is sitting on some high value real estate, and I can see the city wanting to unlock that potential revenue. Despite the hold up on the station 3 development plans, I think it’s fair to say it’s going to happen, once the political maneuvering is complete. The locals don’t want a tall building in Inglewood. According to the drawings, 3 will be two bays. I’m betting a ladder goes to 3 or a future HR whatever that looks like. I’m expecting that CFD will re-distribute core resources to ensure they respond into the core.

All these resources under one roof seems difficult to comprehend, could 2 house that many firefighters? Are there renovations going on at 6? Where did this ladder come from? Is it a new company? With winter right around the corner, keeping rigs outside is a bad idea.

It will be interesting to see how this evolves over the coming months.

Please keep us posted!
 

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Thank you for the input Calgary_Fire_Filmer! I do want to apologize, I thought Station 6 was getting reno'd but its actually all of the street work happening around 6 Station that has cause CFD to move apparatus around for the time being.

Calgary Fire union is starting to heat up the building of Fire Station 3 debate! Hopefully it gets traction and we can see something soon, even if it's just a temporary station.

CFD is deepening its partnership with Tsuut'ina Nations Fire Service, which is great! Tsuut’ina Nation, Calgary Fire Department and Kidde announce fire safety partnerships
So does this mean CFD now has an automatic aid agreement with TNFS or do they still have to be requested as mutual aid? Either way it's good to see the CFD expanding on their relationship with County fire departments after years of silence.

The Union isn't playing around anymore. They've been taking to social media a lot now about recent issues in the CFD that should've had a spot light shined on a long time ago. Goes to show that the Union will never stop fighting for the CFD and the people they serve.

It's honestly interesting that CFD has had the land for Station 3 since 2009 and only now, 16 years later, something is being said about it. The Union is right: We need Station 3 now. Having Station 1 make the trip to Inglewood & Ramsay is no longer ethical or beneficial.

The city needs to stop dragging their feet on this matter and get something done. The residents of Inglewood didn't want a high-rise? Alright, make a 2 bay station and send Engine 301 there to become Engine 3. Who knows, maybe the aerial fleet can be expanded by then and there can be Ladder 1, Ladder 3 & Ladder 6 defending the core.

Station 3 should've been built ages ago. I don't like getting political here but this has to be said:

On May 5, 2025 The CFD almost lost 2 houses in Ramsay because of the extended response time. The City of Calgary has failed the people. Where is Station 3? This can't happen again.
 

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So does this mean CFD now has an automatic aid agreement with TNFS or do they still have to be requested as mutual aid? Either way it's good to see the CFD expanding on their relationship with County fire departments after years of silence.

The Union isn't playing around anymore. They've been taking to social media a lot now about recent issues in the CFD that should've had a spot light shined on a long time ago. Goes to show that the Union will never stop fighting for the CFD and the people they serve.

It's honestly interesting that CFD has had the land for Station 3 since 2009 and only now, 16 years later, something is being said about it. The Union is right: We need Station 3 now. Having Station 1 make the trip to Inglewood & Ramsay is no longer ethical or beneficial.

The city needs to stop dragging their feet on this matter and get something done. The residents of Inglewood didn't want a high-rise? Alright, make a 2 bay station and send Engine 301 there to become Engine 3. Who knows, maybe the aerial fleet can be expanded by then and there can be Ladder 1, Ladder 3 & Ladder 6 defending the core.

Station 3 should've been built ages ago. I don't like getting political here but this has to be said:

On May 5, 2025 The CFD almost lost 2 houses in Ramsay because of the extended response time. The City of Calgary has failed the people. Where is Station 3? This can't happen again.
Well said!

Station 3 needs to happen, and the sooner the better. The Chief was adamant in a recent interview. I love the idea of an Engine and truck running around the community doing their thing. City council is probably pretty pleased with how 6 worked out, and want to repeat that in the east side of downtown. The truth is all those residential units will cover the cost of the new station. It’s a win win! But of course there folks with financial interests and they want to make deals and so forth… politics.

The union should be happy with the increased membership, and properly staffed rigs.

I’d like to see 2 Heavy Rescues, 2 Hazardous Materials Units, fully staffed, then more trucks and enhanced Engines, and the usual support rigs, PODS, Wood Wagons, and of course a couple A/Ls.
 

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Ideally, I think the city would benefit from 4 Rescue Companies. One in each quadrant. These guys would respond as the 2nd out unit from their respective hall, and respond citywide to structure fires, TR runs, water rescues, and pin jobs.

Keep them off general alarms, minor to moderate MVC's, and calls that don't require a big tandem axle Rescue.

Same will be said for HazMats. One in each quadrant and maybe keep some other HazMat units quartered alongside them such as Recovery 16, and the HazTecs.

With downsizing the Rescue fleet to 4 and having them specialized it allows more Aerials into the fleet. More straight sticks and Towers and they can start going out on MVC's on major routes as both the extrication piece and the blocker.

I think this would be the most ideal scenario. Would love to hear everyone else's thoughts.
 

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This sort of thing always comes down to call volume and costs, equipment, training and everything else involved in specialized operations. The frustrating part is that insurance regulators don’t recognize Rescues, HazMats, Air Lights, High Rise Units, MRU, FRP units or Chiefs and won’t give the residents a break on insurance pricing. They only look at Pumpers and Ladders (this includes Towers)

The way many services address this is by buying flexible rigs, Quints, Rescue Pumps or enhanced Engines.

CFD is switched from Quints to Ladders, the Ladders will probably replace the Rescues, eventually. Also, they are seeing huge savings with the MRU's, so I’d expect that program to grow.

All that being said, cities need specialized systems to protect the public. So maybe we might see HazMat assessment Engines, they would deal with the daily Level 1 calls and assess if the situation requires Level 2 or 3 response. This would require a larger response. This is why two dedicated Haz companies 04 and 39 would probably be enough. Larger more capable rigs with larger crews. Probably run the Recovery out of 4. The Decon pod is at 16.

The Heavy Rescue companies should run out of 16 and 17. Personally, the TRS units should be at other halls, maybe 11 and 12, because they run two Engines. So for big calls like high angle, trench, collapse this would bring in more manpower. These calls are always labour intensive.

The other thing to consider, Tech Rescue calls are not that common. So the Heavy Rescues should run on anything involving people really trapped or in a precarious position. Door pops or automotive pin jobs should be handled by Engine & Trucks unless a dump truck is on the car, that should trigger an upgrade response and deploy Heavy Rescue. They should also assist the Aquatic teams with support and access.

I’d like to see a couple TFS style Air Lights and a proper dedicated Rehab Unit, maybe run by buffs like Toronto and Montreal.

The best value for residents are more Engines and Ladders, with a group of highly trained specialists to support the community and that means properly staffed rigs, 4 or 5 on the Engine and Ladders, at least 5 on the HR and Hazardous materials rigs. The water stuff is good the way it is.

Maybe convert the MRU's to light Rescues and let them respond to fires and MVCs. Kinda like Vancouver.

Just some personal observations.
 
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