K2QI
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Yup I missed that he did say bottom of the band not the bottom band. Thats what he probably meant. I guess now we know where the hams are.
Show me a real ham, and I'll bring the mashed potatoes and a carving knife.
checking others into nets
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Show me a real ham, and I'll bring the mashed potatoes and a carving knife.
ki4rvh
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Show me a real ham, and I'll bring the mashed potatoes and a carving knife.
Now you're talkin!!!!!
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How 'bout the ones that check in, then check in good ol' Sam 'cause they "just talked to him on the phone and he's listening.....?" Tell him to act like a ham and get off his worthless dead ass and use that radio he's so busy listening on. Had an Elmer tell me one time a long while back that "Some hams are nothing more than either side of a hog's ass."
Sorry, gotta go to the Rant Mode menu and disable "Auto Engage......"
Sorry, gotta go to the Rant Mode menu and disable "Auto Engage......"
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Some of you are missing the point entirely, the bottom of the band is the bottom of the band, below the FM assignments where we use CW, SSB and digital modes. 160M is referred to as Top Band, somebody has it backward. If you haven't heard of "2M CB" you haven't been around much, FM is quite unlike other modes and is more like CB than Amateur, that is how CB USED to be and how it SHOULD be, casual, laid back chit chat.
So what if I hold a Tech license? What's it to you anyway WHAT class anyone holds? It's that elitist snob attitude that drives people away and you've seen plenty of such complaints right here on RR and the usual code/no code rants elsewhere. You don't know me beyond my license, you know nothing of my 40+ year hobby, career in electronics, my credentials nor my accomplishments (I don't brag) so grow up and get a life, your ignorance is showing.
So what if I hold a Tech license? What's it to you anyway WHAT class anyone holds? It's that elitist snob attitude that drives people away and you've seen plenty of such complaints right here on RR and the usual code/no code rants elsewhere. You don't know me beyond my license, you know nothing of my 40+ year hobby, career in electronics, my credentials nor my accomplishments (I don't brag) so grow up and get a life, your ignorance is showing.
ki4rvh
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Warren,
My comments were not meant to criticize you for being a Tech. I don't care what license anyone holds or even if they hold one or not. I was asking a question that was meant to be humorous. I know the hams are on 2M SSB now. I've played in that place myself and will again tomorrow evening for the contest. You have my apology for any any grief I have caused you. Take care and have a good day.
My comments were not meant to criticize you for being a Tech. I don't care what license anyone holds or even if they hold one or not. I was asking a question that was meant to be humorous. I know the hams are on 2M SSB now. I've played in that place myself and will again tomorrow evening for the contest. You have my apology for any any grief I have caused you. Take care and have a good day.
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DaveNF2G
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Local net rules aside, I don't really have a problem with one operator of a family or club station checking in the individual hams who are physically present at the station.
I do object to the practice of checking in people who are not visible to the station providing the relay, especially when those "checkins" are not even on the air at the time.
I do object to the practice of checking in people who are not visible to the station providing the relay, especially when those "checkins" are not even on the air at the time.
blinddog50
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Much ado about nothing,
Local nightly net, one evening HE does the net, another evening SHE does the net. Other evenings net
duty is shared with other hams.
If SHE wants to check in from the sofa on an evening HE has net responsibility, I don't have a problem with it.
Local nightly net, one evening HE does the net, another evening SHE does the net. Other evenings net
duty is shared with other hams.
If SHE wants to check in from the sofa on an evening HE has net responsibility, I don't have a problem with it.
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kb0nly
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Whenever i check into a net if my wife happens to wander past the shack i will check her in, she is present in the room so i see no harm in it.
"My comments were not meant to criticize you for being a Tech. <snip> I was asking a question that was meant to be humorous."
Well then Chris a smiley sure helps to indicate intended humor. It's just that we Techs have been judged by the license class, looked down upon and insulted so many times it's just not funny and you hit a very sore spot. OK, you're forgiven, all is good and we move on.
Well then Chris a smiley sure helps to indicate intended humor. It's just that we Techs have been judged by the license class, looked down upon and insulted so many times it's just not funny and you hit a very sore spot. OK, you're forgiven, all is good and we move on.
ki4rvh
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Thanks for understanding. I'll be sure and use a smiley in the future if I'm trying to be funny. To show you how much I love Techs, I'm married to one
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Chris
Hey Chris,
Don't sweat it, look at some of his other posts. He rips CB'ers and other amateurs all the the time on the forums. I myself have been the recipient of the "real ham" speech.You would think he invented ham radio.....Some can dish it out but can't take it. Don't lose any sleep over it.
*redacted my own rant...*
Warren, I see a lot of the "I built my own rig and learned Morse Code, and by golly - if you can't do it too, you don't deserve to be here" still floating around. I see that you didn't mean anything bad by your comment, and I'm glad of that. However, some people have been hurt by old-timers, and it's easy to lash back at a perceived insult.
It still baffles me that a service that's supposed to be about communication has become a place full of bickering, infighting, complainers who refuse to accept to and embrace new ways of communicating. I remember a conversion about guys intentionally keying CW sloppily to confuse guys using their computer to decode CW. I don't think any of them got the irony: they're complaining on a web forum about people using a computer to communicate.
I know that not all of the more seasoned operators are like this; some of the more innovative projects are being led by guys who fall firmly in to the older demographic; it's just too bad that so many people fall back on bitterness and anger, rather than trying new things.
Warren, I see a lot of the "I built my own rig and learned Morse Code, and by golly - if you can't do it too, you don't deserve to be here" still floating around. I see that you didn't mean anything bad by your comment, and I'm glad of that. However, some people have been hurt by old-timers, and it's easy to lash back at a perceived insult.
It still baffles me that a service that's supposed to be about communication has become a place full of bickering, infighting, complainers who refuse to accept to and embrace new ways of communicating. I remember a conversion about guys intentionally keying CW sloppily to confuse guys using their computer to decode CW. I don't think any of them got the irony: they're complaining on a web forum about people using a computer to communicate.
I know that not all of the more seasoned operators are like this; some of the more innovative projects are being led by guys who fall firmly in to the older demographic; it's just too bad that so many people fall back on bitterness and anger, rather than trying new things.
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srd84
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Anything involving people has these elements lol...I'm a new "no code" General licensee, and plan to be a "no code" Extra soon. I'd love to learn Morse though. I'd love to build a rig. I'm not worried about what some other knuckle head thinks. I've already met some really friendly and helpful radio amateurs. KB2VXA
is right...2m is like CB radio...or like a cell phone conversation. Also the fact that he has a tech ticket really doesn't say anything about him or his knowledge...who are the "real hams"? That's funny...they are everyone who has a license and I'm sure that ranges the full spectrum of society. Some mean and petty and base...and some noble and honorable and wise...and everything in between. But I'm having fun...this is really cool and I don't recall my license saying I need the approval of KB3smedgmick of Podunk somewhere to operate...
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Steve
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My club holds a weekly rag-chew net. I have never heard of anyone checking in remote stations (someone not physically in the area of the ham and radio actually checking int). Often when a ham checks in other hams around him/her then I often look at that as a check-in/check-out unless otherwise instructed. Most people are good to tell the point ham that they are checking in to talk or if they just want to do an in/out to indicate they are present and are listening. I hear a couple often doing this on our net. No problem to me. Again, if someone were to check a person in not even there, wrong, wrong wrong.
As for this 2M not being amateur radio, or did I read that wrong, that is just trash. From what I understand, people are often nasty on HF ham bands like the trash I used to hear on CB radio. When I was kid, before I ever discovered amateur radio, I was driven away from CB's because those people were filthy. Don't get me wrong, I can live in the gutter, but there is nothing interesting about 40 channels of pure hell, 2 of which may only be active at any given time and people run illegal rigs all too often with no sense of respect. Please correct me if I read this thread incorrectly but to compare FM on VHF and UHF to CB is shameful, I don't care how long you've been around.
As for this 2M not being amateur radio, or did I read that wrong, that is just trash. From what I understand, people are often nasty on HF ham bands like the trash I used to hear on CB radio. When I was kid, before I ever discovered amateur radio, I was driven away from CB's because those people were filthy. Don't get me wrong, I can live in the gutter, but there is nothing interesting about 40 channels of pure hell, 2 of which may only be active at any given time and people run illegal rigs all too often with no sense of respect. Please correct me if I read this thread incorrectly but to compare FM on VHF and UHF to CB is shameful, I don't care how long you've been around.
jmp883
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A lot of love on this thread!!
Starting out with what started this thread my opinion is that if there is more than one licensed ham in the room they all don't need to pass the microphone around if they all want to check in. I'm an NCS several nights a week for a traffic net and several of our check-ins do exactly that, including our net manager.
My real gripe about nets, at least message nets which are the only nets I have any experience with, is the lack of participation other than checking in. I just ran my 81st net the other night and we were, as usual, traffic free. But when we do get traffic it often goes unclaimed. Most of the time if we get messages when I'm the NCS I'll end up taking it. I have copies of close to one hundred ARRL Radiograms I've delivered. There are 3 or 4 other reliable stations on my net who will also take traffic but when we check in an average of 15-20 stations a night it shouldn't fall to the same 3 or 4 stations to always take traffic.
To address one of the other themes running through this thread is that I personally don't care what class license anyone has...we're all hams and that's all that matters. We can all learn and benefit from each other regardless of license class.
Just remember....amateur radio is a hobby and meant to be fun! Now if I could just get my fellow model railroaders and street motorcyclists to understand that they are fun hobbies as well.................:roll:
Starting out with what started this thread my opinion is that if there is more than one licensed ham in the room they all don't need to pass the microphone around if they all want to check in. I'm an NCS several nights a week for a traffic net and several of our check-ins do exactly that, including our net manager.
My real gripe about nets, at least message nets which are the only nets I have any experience with, is the lack of participation other than checking in. I just ran my 81st net the other night and we were, as usual, traffic free. But when we do get traffic it often goes unclaimed. Most of the time if we get messages when I'm the NCS I'll end up taking it. I have copies of close to one hundred ARRL Radiograms I've delivered. There are 3 or 4 other reliable stations on my net who will also take traffic but when we check in an average of 15-20 stations a night it shouldn't fall to the same 3 or 4 stations to always take traffic.
To address one of the other themes running through this thread is that I personally don't care what class license anyone has...we're all hams and that's all that matters. We can all learn and benefit from each other regardless of license class.
Just remember....amateur radio is a hobby and meant to be fun! Now if I could just get my fellow model railroaders and street motorcyclists to understand that they are fun hobbies as well.................:roll:
DieselFF918
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First, to comment on the original topic, I see no problem with checking in a fellow ham if that person is in the room.
To say that a person is lazy and cant get off their fat a** to check themselves into a net, is being judgmental. Unless you know the person, you dont know what their situation is.
Maybe at that moment the other person is physically incapable of getting to the mic to check themselves in due to an injury, having food on the stove (especially cooking oil, which should be watched constantly), or for some reason that maybe unknown, so the husband, wife, or fellow ham checks them in.
Not to mention the number of hams that are in their 70's, 80's, or even 90's, that are still licensed and actively participate 'when' they can, that may have difficulty getting to the mic with out assistance, so they have a fellow ham check them in.
Second, to compare any band of Amateur Radio to CB is completely absurd, and is disrespectful to the hobby.
Before I became licensed I did a lot with CB and used to talk with a group of others who would meet on a weekly basis, in an informal net type of setup.
I can think of one individual who would talk with us, who would "squash" others (I was squashed by him a number of times), with his high powered rig, just because he could.
I have been licensed since 2005 as a tech, and I have personally heard nothing but respect for other hams on the air, especially on the "2M CB" bands.
There maybe hams out there that do this sort of thing on the ham bands, but they are few and far between. To take the handful of hams that may do that, and compare that to the countless number of filthy mouthed, disrespectful, and just plain nasty, people that you hear on the CB with their colorful language and the self proclaimed 'DJ's' clogging up the CB bands with their music, while sensible people are trying to communicate, is just plain wrong.
Ok, rant over.
To say that a person is lazy and cant get off their fat a** to check themselves into a net, is being judgmental. Unless you know the person, you dont know what their situation is.
Maybe at that moment the other person is physically incapable of getting to the mic to check themselves in due to an injury, having food on the stove (especially cooking oil, which should be watched constantly), or for some reason that maybe unknown, so the husband, wife, or fellow ham checks them in.
Not to mention the number of hams that are in their 70's, 80's, or even 90's, that are still licensed and actively participate 'when' they can, that may have difficulty getting to the mic with out assistance, so they have a fellow ham check them in.
Second, to compare any band of Amateur Radio to CB is completely absurd, and is disrespectful to the hobby.
Before I became licensed I did a lot with CB and used to talk with a group of others who would meet on a weekly basis, in an informal net type of setup.
I can think of one individual who would talk with us, who would "squash" others (I was squashed by him a number of times), with his high powered rig, just because he could.
I have been licensed since 2005 as a tech, and I have personally heard nothing but respect for other hams on the air, especially on the "2M CB" bands.
There maybe hams out there that do this sort of thing on the ham bands, but they are few and far between. To take the handful of hams that may do that, and compare that to the countless number of filthy mouthed, disrespectful, and just plain nasty, people that you hear on the CB with their colorful language and the self proclaimed 'DJ's' clogging up the CB bands with their music, while sensible people are trying to communicate, is just plain wrong.
Ok, rant over.
k8wha
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Interesting
Interesting thread... I started out my 49 year stint on radio with a Novice ticket. Never made a single contact with the year spent on the air. Another novice friend of mine commented .. "nobody wants to talk to a Novice.. my Dad arranged the only Novice contact I made." So I ugraded to Technician. Took a lot of abuse from Generals on six meters. So much to my amazement, General Class is the only class ticket I never held! Been living on A-1 mode the past 20 years and loving it.
I agree with your 2 Meter FM comments! 440 seems a better option.
73's
Dick K8WHA
Interesting thread... I started out my 49 year stint on radio with a Novice ticket. Never made a single contact with the year spent on the air. Another novice friend of mine commented .. "nobody wants to talk to a Novice.. my Dad arranged the only Novice contact I made." So I ugraded to Technician. Took a lot of abuse from Generals on six meters. So much to my amazement, General Class is the only class ticket I never held! Been living on A-1 mode the past 20 years and loving it.
I agree with your 2 Meter FM comments! 440 seems a better option.
73's
Dick K8WHA
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