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For me, the digital changeover cleared up the noise from Ch 2 so that I can actually listen to it. My home is basically on the other side of the county from that transmitter and even with a VHF radio, it still used to come in with so much static that I had to lock it out. Now it sounds great.
 

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I feel lucky to have been directed to this thread from Google. For the past couple weeks I have been getting nothing but static on my SO frequency. The fire channel and weather channels are ok and I still pull in Blanco SO. Years ago I picked up Hays and Guadalupe counties, but no more. Anyhow the static has been driving me crazy.

I have three little Uniden scanners running 24/7 that I've had since the mid to late 90's. Two of my scanners are little rectangular boxes that set on shelves and the third one is a handheld.

Based on this thread it looks like I am going to have to get new scanners.

I really don't want to spend a ton of cash. All I want is to be able to listen while I am eating or maybe doing a little reading or just piddling around the house. Usually I am out doors puttering in the garden or doing something around the place.

Any suggestions for replacement scanners would be greatly appreciated from you guys.

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Jerry
 

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I feel lucky to have been directed to this thread from Google. For the past couple weeks I have been getting nothing but static on my SO frequency. The fire channel and weather channels are ok and I still pull in Blanco SO. Years ago I picked up Hays and Guadalupe counties, but no more. Anyhow the static has been driving me crazy.

I have three little Uniden scanners running 24/7 that I've had since the mid to late 90's. Two of my scanners are little rectangular boxes that set on shelves and the third one is a handheld.

Based on this thread it looks like I am going to have to get new scanners.

I really don't want to spend a ton of cash. All I want is to be able to listen while I am eating or maybe doing a little reading or just piddling around the house. Usually I am out doors puttering in the garden or doing something around the place.

Any suggestions for replacement scanners would be greatly appreciated from you guys.

Thanks,

Jerry


To listen to Comal SO you are going to need a Digital Scanner they are using P25 Digital.

The following scanners can use P25...

PRO-106 39,000-Channel Digital Handheld Scanner - RadioShack.com Radio Shack Pro 106

Here's a link to Scanner Masters website with all the Digtal Scanners..
Digital Scanners

Its pretty pricey you may be able find some "less expensive" on Ebay.

- Phoboss
 

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Radio Shack came out with a simple digital scanner that is a generation old now. It is a Pro-96. It is real easy to program by hand and there are some free trial softwares out there that make it even easier. It is all you would need for listening to Comal. By now most are used and can be had for rather cheap (relative to a new digital scanner).

Actually it would be a great asset for you because it would do Comal SO and Texas DPS (which depending on your proximity to US281 can be very busy). Besides doing these two it will also do the New Braunfels LCRA EDACS (NBPD, Kendall SO, Boerne PD).
 

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Jerry M,

Welcome to RadioReference first off, and you are indeed lucky to have found yourself here.

I second trying to find a Pro-96. It won't have the functionality of a newer digital scanner(nor the steep price), but it will decode P25 just as well, and from where you're location is it will receive everything that you used to be able to listen to but can't anymore. Like texasemt13 said, Comal SO and DPS will come alive, as will Hays and Guadalupe Counties, and anything else you would care to listen to in the area(I can make some suggestions).

Since you mention the scanners you own are pretty dated, any newer scanner you get is likely going to be a big leap in terms of operating and programming complexity compared to the older Unidens. I'm local and used to live off FM 2722 so I am familiar with both the New Braunfels and Canyon Lake area, and I'd be more than happy to help you get a Pro-96(or newer Radio Shack/GRE scanner) programmed up and going for you so you don't have to face the learning curve inherent in these more advanced scanners alone.

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P25 with NAC 300"

Is there a P25 without NAC? What does NAC do and is it need in Comal County?

Does the Pro-96 do the NAC thing?

I Googled Radio Shack and didn't find the Pro-96. If it is discontinued and considering how fast electronics outdate would it be in my best interest to look to the most state-of -the-art device.

My old units are Uniden BC700A, Uniden BC7T, and Uniden BC60XT all on power supplies 24/7. They have served my purposes, however, over the years most surrounding counties have disappeared and the other day Comal dumped me.

I intend to use my new scanner between my nest and a guest cabin I have on my property. Probably will not carry it in my truck. On ebay it looks like the current market for the PRO-96's is around $200 - $250. The latest and greatest models are $379 for the PRO-106 and $500 for the Uniden 396XT.

I really miss not knowing what's going on around here so I am going to have to buy something pretty soon.
 

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Is there a P25 without NAC? What does NAC do and is it need in Comal County?

Does the Pro-96 do the NAC thing?

NAC stands for Network Access Code, and functions similar to CTCSS and DCS tones. Click the links here to read up what they are but basically, if two separate agencies or groups happen to be using the same frequency, if they have different tones programmed in, one group will not hear the other; they will only hear the radios transmitting the same tones. This is the same thing that a NAC does, but just the digital P25 equivalent.

The NAC used for CCSO is just to do that, to keep the sheriff's deputies radios from breaking squelch on any transmissions other than their own. The Pro-96 does not read or use NAC codes, but it will monitor any P25 transmission still the same. The only downside is that you will not be able to differentiate between the same frequency being repeatedly used with different NACs(like DPS does), but CCSO does not do this so you won't have a problem listening to them.

Jerry_M said:
I Googled Radio Shack and didn't find the Pro-96. If it is discontinued and considering how fast electronics outdate would it be in my best interest to look to the most state-of -the-art device.

My old units are Uniden BC700A, Uniden BC7T, and Uniden BC60XT all on power supplies 24/7. They have served my purposes, however, over the years most surrounding counties have disappeared and the other day Comal dumped me.

I intend to use my new scanner between my nest and a guest cabin I have on my property. Probably will not carry it in my truck. On ebay it looks like the current market for the PRO-96's is around $200 - $250. The latest and greatest models are $379 for the PRO-106 and $500 for the Uniden 396XT.

I really miss not knowing what's going on around here so I am going to have to buy something pretty soon.

Yes, the Pro-96 has been discontinued, but given what you stated(and what I assumed) your listening interests/scope was, we thought this might be a suitable lower cost alternative to a newer digital scanner. It is getting a little dated but would still virtually bring back everything that has gone silent on your older scanners. A newer scanner though would leave you well prepared for the next few years and beyond, in terms of listening and flexibility, and the NAC decode function that is now standard on the newest scanners will definitely come in handy.

Looking at what you currently own, a new scanner is going to seem like a alien device until you learn how to use it(which won't take long). Programming these scanners as well also seems to intimidate most new comers, so I would recommend looking into getting a PSR-500. It's the exact same thing as the Pro-106(in fact the company that makes the PSR scanners, GRE, also makes the Pro-106 and slaps the RadioShack brand on it), and cost the same brand new, but the PSR-500 comes with both a wall charger and a programming cable, probably around a $40-50 value if you were to buy them separately at RS. The important thing is that these scanners can be exponentially easier to program using a computer, software that is inexpensive and available for 30 day free trials, and that programming cable I mentioned. In seeing everything laid out in the software when programming, you will begin to understand a lot better both how your scanner works and also how trunking and conventional radio systems work.

You can check on eBay for some second hand scanners that have been lightly used, but make sure they come with all the accessories so you don't have to go buy anything else. Also, you might check our for sale forum here. I just bought a like new in box PSR-500 for my buddy(who like you needed to get a digital scanner so he can listen to CCSO), with some extra accessories and shipping all for $360, and there are many members who are reputable sellers here, but that's just a suggestion. Also just a suggestion, or opinion rather, I prefer the GRE made scanners (PSR-500, Pro-106) over the Uniden digital scanners, because from what I have heard, the GRE line of scanners had superior P25 audio compared to the older Uniden 396T. From what I now hear though, with the 396XT, the audio quality has been greatly improved, to the point it's not too different than the GRE P25 audio quality. But the way I see it, GRE had P25 sounding great a lot sooner, and for much cheaper than Uniden sells their scanners. Like I said, that's just my opinion.

David
 

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David, your reply was most helpful...exactly what I needed.

Because I'm retired living on a fixed income I decided that at this point I would go with the handheld PRO-96 as suggested. This will allow me to get in to digital with min $$'s and still cover my listening needs at my cabin and at the house. The scanner can be carried back and forth between the two places. Later after I have saved some $$'s and have had a chance to shop around, I can look into getting a second unit desk model with more bells and whistles.

I am still on the hunt for someone to build an outdoor antenna mast. I am going to check with a welding shop here at the lake. They have done work for me a couple times on a metal barn of mine.

Thanks to you all for guiding me through this.

Jerry
 

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David, your reply was most helpful...exactly what I needed.

Because I'm retired living on a fixed income I decided that at this point I would go with the handheld PRO-96 as suggested. This will allow me to get in to digital with min $$'s and still cover my listening needs at my cabin and at the house. The scanner can be carried back and forth between the two places. Later after I have saved some $$'s and have had a chance to shop around, I can look into getting a second unit desk model with more bells and whistles.

I am still on the hunt for someone to build an outdoor antenna mast. I am going to check with a welding shop here at the lake. They have done work for me a couple times on a metal barn of mine.

Thanks to you all for guiding me through this.

Jerry

I'm glad to have been of help. $$ is most peoples obstacle to keeping up with this hobby now that many places are going digital. Just know that digital scanners are a steal compared to the multi-thousand dollar price tag to buy an actual P25 radio. I've compared the audio between my PSR-500 and a VHF P25 radio, listening to CCSO, and there's not much difference between the two, except the scanner is cheaper and more flexible in what it can receive. The Pro-96 P25 audio is pretty much the same case too.

Let us know when you do get this scanner and we can likely save you a few more bucks and help you get it programmed up without you needing to get a programming cable or software, especially since most of the programming will be new to you(I would suggest you start doing some reading up on Trunking/Trunked Radio as this is one of the main features of the scanner beyond doing digital). It is easy to program by hand like texasemt13 mentioned, but it is extremely tedious, and can be incomprehensible if you don't know what trunking is. It sure kept me from listening to trunked systems(like NB PD/FD, Hays County) until I finally figured it all out, and only then after that did I discover this wonderful website where I could have solved my problems much much sooner.

I don't have any experience with masts (yet...) but getting your antenna up over the roof(especially the metal one) of the house is going to significantly increase what you'll be able to receive. Make sure you save up a little money to put up a decent antenna, as this will make a world of difference in what you receive. A loose rule of thumb is that for every dollar you spend on your antenna, this is like spending 10 or more dollars on receiving equipment, as far as the improvements in signal reception go(i.e. you're getting more bang for your buck). I would also recommend buying a Diamond RH-77CA(around $20) when you get a chance as this is probably the best handheld scanner antenna you can use around the hilly Canyon Lake area. It will pull in CCSO and other VHF frequencies many times better than the stock duck will, as well as offering better reception on other bands of interest.

David
 
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Jerry,

To reiterate what David posted:

Let us know when you do get this scanner and we can likely save you a few more bucks and help you get it programmed up without you needing to get a programming cable or software...

We both had (have) the Pro-96, with many different files for this area. We could easily meet up and get you squared away quickly.

I would also recommend buying a Diamond RH-77CA(around $20) when you get a chance as this is probably the best handheld scanner antenna you can use around the hilly Canyon Lake area. It will pull in CCSO and other VHF frequencies many times better than the stock duck will, as well as offering better reception on other bands of interest.

By far the best antenna I have found as well (for handhelds). It can be found right here, from Universal Radio. The BNC cionnector is the one utilized on the RS/GRE scanners.

Lastly, the Pro-96 has what are called "V-Scanners," (and now most scanners come with this feature), which allows you to store/upload other files that are stored in the memory of your scanner. This is a great feature, because it essentially allows you to create 10 (total) files and store them in your scanner so you can go and long trips and not have to sacrifice listening pleasure (by plugging your scanner into a laptop to reprogram it). You can simply upload a new file from the memory. When the Pro-96 came out it had a bunch of regional V-Scanners factory loaded. This page gives a run down of how the regional V-Scanners worked.

Let us know what else you need, and Welcome to RR.
 

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Has anyone noticed that the lcra patch to ccso has gone down since the transition. I usually can scan it on my lpe-200 but not even getting it on there.
 

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Since CCSO switched to digital there would be no way that the analog EDACS system could support it. I'm sure it is still programmed in there though.

A CCSO deputy told me that they didn't have analog capability anymore (which I think is wrong). But if they didn't have the capability anymore (which he claims) there would be no reason for the TGRP to stay active (though I'm sure as far as LCRA is concerned it is still allocated to CCSO).
 

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since ccso switched to digital there would be no way that the analog edacs system could support it. I'm sure it is still programmed in there though.

A ccso deputy told me that they didn't have analog capability anymore (which i think is wrong). But if they didn't have the capability anymore (which he claims) there would be no reason for the tgrp to stay active (though i'm sure as far as lcra is concerned it is still allocated to ccso).


though this may be true lcra has many patches with travis county and austin pd. So i am sure where there is a will theres a way plus the whole p25 deal was for m/a interop. The authority may just be dragging it's toes on updating the tgrp.
 

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Update: LCRA to CCSO Patch

Just a heads up for everyone that monitors the LCRA system, the patched talkgroup 1369 that connects to Comal County Sheriff's Office Channel 1 is now back up an running after their switch to P-25.
 

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Encryption used on CCSO

Just to let everyone know, I heard encryption being used last night on Ch. 2 by a Sheriff's Deputy. He wasn't using it for any communications, but he couldn't get his radio out of secure mode for a few moments, with the dispatcher asking him to switch it off. So the Sheriff's Office has encryption capability now with their switch to P25.
 

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With the switch to digital being old news I've noticed that Texas DPS is using ComalSO Ch1 plenty (I've also heard a 327X besides the typical 348Xs). Has anyone heard any game wardens on CCSO Ch1?

Has anyone caught a few 437Xs? Last week (for the first time) I heard 4374, 4377 and 4378. Mostly typical chatter ("out at municipal court ending mileage 123;" "Show me 10-41"). Anyone have any clue as to who these 437X units are?

As a supplemental question I've noticed the new CCSO Tahoe and what I believe are 4 CCSO F-150s (though I have seen one of these F-150s in S. Hays County performing a traffic stop) that are equipped with LoJack arrays now. I have also seen one shadow (grey and white- but not the typical warrant deputy's reflective grey) Crown Vic with this LoJack array also. When did CCSO start equipping units with LoJack and why are they using F-150s (if they are indeed CCSO- reason I think they are is I see these F-150s meeting with the Tahoe on I-35 all the time)?

Could the new unit numbers and new vehicles be related?
 

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I've heard 5110, 5117, and 5120(Game Wardens) all on CCSO Ch 1, and two of the units(don't have them in my notes, but I do remember) were heard after the switch to P25.

I'm looking at the notes I have in my computer, but apparently the 43xx units I've heard only exist in my hand written notes. I'm now recalling that the two units I have written down are 4331 and 4332. I haven't been listening to Comal SO as much as I should so I'm not sure what they're being used for yet.
 
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Hey guys new to the forum. I work for a FD in Comal County and noticed today the scanner (Guadalupe and Comal County Fire) is down. Just checked and it says it will be fixed after 5 PM. I was wondering how to suggest a change in the info on that scanner. As of right now it says:

Guadalupe & Comal County Fire

Additional Channels:

Seguin Fire
Seguin EMS
Schertz/Cibolo Fire
Schertz EMS
New Braunfels Fire Tactical
Texas Fire Channels (Helicopters for grass fires, etc.)
Air Life

Even though it says "Comal County" I think it should be included that this covers Canyon Lake Fire/EMS, Spring Branch Fire, Bracken Fire, Bulverde Fire and Bulverde-Spring Branch EMS. I have some friends that work at other FD's in Texas and out of state and were not sure which scanner to listen to because it didn't specify all the departments.

Also, I was listening to it over the weekend while I was in Dallas and never heard anything from Seguin or Cibolo. Seems like it was only scanning Comal Mutual Aid and Schertz Fire/EMS.

Anyways I hope this was the right place to post this. Thanks!
 
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