CW ID (?)

[batdude]

I'd like to get some actual field experience/input on whether or not your local VHF/UHF federal repeaters (not trunking systems) are using CW ID for their call sign....?

I have done some reading through 47 CFR 90.425, which is what requires public safety, etc. repeaters to provide either transmission of the callsign by voice or CW ID (in analog mode).

what I do not know is if this CFR applies to repeaters that are owned by the federal government - FBI, CBP, DoS, ad naseum.

i think I can say with near certainty that i have a single UHF repeater (409-ish MHz) that IDs every 20 mins or so. None of the other known fed repeaters in my listening area ID per the CFR.


thoughts / opinions? -- PLEASE keep this limited to FEDERAL GOVT ONLY repeaters....


doug

 

[nd5y]

Radio regulations for federal agencies are in the Manual of Regulations and Procedures for Federal Radio Frequency Management (Redbook) | National Telecommunications and Information Administration.
The FCC regulations in the CFR (Part 90, etc) don't apply to federal goverment users, but some of the NTIA rules are part of the CFR and apply to everybody.

The term "station identification" doesn't appear in the NTIA Manual. I don't think federal users are required to ID. I remember hearing some do it in the past.

 

[batdude]

check out section 6.5.2 of that book.... ?

 

[nd5y]

Yep, it looks like they are required to ID.

 

[ecps92]

I've only heard a CW ID on the VA Paging channels, never on any of the "Networks"

I'd like to get some actual field experience/input on whether or not your local VHF/UHF federal repeaters (not trunking systems) are using CW ID for their call sign....?

I have done some reading through 47 CFR 90.425, which is what requires public safety, etc. repeaters to provide either transmission of the callsign by voice or CW ID (in analog mode).

what I do not know is if this CFR applies to repeaters that are owned by the federal government - FBI, CBP, DoS, ad naseum.

i think I can say with near certainty that i have a single UHF repeater (409-ish MHz) that IDs every 20 mins or so. None of the other known fed repeaters in my listening area ID per the CFR.


thoughts / opinions? -- PLEASE keep this limited to FEDERAL GOVT ONLY repeaters....


doug

 

[batdude]

bill and tom - i have actually seen CWID on networks (assuming you mean trunking systems), but it's 50/50, sometimes it's an analog CWID and sometimes it's in the trunking data stream, which is legal/authorized.

what i'm really after are the single frequency repeaters, wide-area/networked or not.... for instance, the TSA at most airports operates a repeater on 172.15 or something close/similar... those should be ID'ing... and most do not (in my experience anyway)


doug

 

[ecps92]

Not many TRS near me, that I can monitor regularly or with software, such as the FBOP, DoD and USN

As for the conventional NETWORKS, not a peep of CW except for the VA Paging channels

bill and tom - i have actually seen CWID on networks (assuming you mean trunking systems), but it's 50/50, sometimes it's an analog CWID and sometimes it's in the trunking data stream, which is legal/authorized.

what i'm really after are the single frequency repeaters, wide-area/networked or not.... for instance, the TSA at most airports operates a repeater on 172.15 or something close/similar... those should be ID'ing... and most do not (in my experience anyway)


doug

 

[nd5y]

I have only heard 2 CW IDs on federal systems in my life. Back in the late 70's - early 80's William Beaumont Army Medical Center had a paging base station on 148 MHz that sent QRA DE OOO000 OOO000 OOO000 (oh oh oh zero zero zero) and in the DFW area there was one that sent SSC SEC . I think that was the Superconducting Supercollider but never confirmed it.

As far as voice IDs I used to hear the Border Patrol, Forest Service and FBI use actual callsigns. Some of the military bases I lived near IDed without callsigns. The best one was Fort Bliss. Every hour the MP dispatcher would say
Break, United States Army Fort Bliss, Texas Military Police Communications Control 23 December 1978 Central clear at 1800 hours.
as fast as they could.