Derby & Thunder 2009 Frequncies/Activity

[CORN]

HOLY COW, the F-22, B-2, F-117, B-52 all in one show! I can't wait to see it. Anyone know the thunder airboss freq?

Don't look for the F-117 as its no longer with us. Aka retired. I believe that one is a misprint. And i'm not sure where they got an F-15 full demo. Don't know who could be authorized to do that one as the only remaining F-15 demo team is Eagle West and they are in NAS Corpus Christi and the Strike Eagle demo is in Cecil Field, Jacksonville, FL. Other than that their itenerary matches the ACC demo schedule as well as the Navy TAC demo sched. Looks like a solid lineup and according to the ACC demo page a BONE has been added!!!!!! Make that the B-1B (2-ship).

Air Combat Command - Aerial Events

 

[jerk]

Here's another Excel file that I worked on, and some frequencies are off of a website and old RR postings. It is worth looking at as well.

 

[daveharpe]

The Kentucky Derby Festival folks use RCS Communications for their radio rentals, which means they might be on the RCS trunk system. Might be worth a monitor tomorrow.

Also keep an eye on all of the standard itinerant business frequencies. Lots of action on those tomorrow as well.

 

[chrizby]

Lima Lima is using 123.425 on a practice run at 10:50 am

 

[CORN]

Anymore freqs from this event? I wasn't there but heard the B-1's meeting the tanker on AR-315 (343.25 primary) and taking some gas before moving on.

A/A: 267.0

 

[unitcharlie]

Whole everything is still fresh in everyone's mind plz submit the freqs from Thunder so we can have a start for next year.... all I saw were the T-Birds as they roared over the house yesterday.... didn't have the chance to do any monitoring...

 

[jerk]

Whole everything is still fresh in everyone's mind plz submit the freqs from Thunder so we can have a start for next year.... all I saw were the T-Birds as they roared over the house yesterday.... didn't have the chance to do any monitoring...

I got a few, But all really air show specific and all generic. I was in a really RF bad location. It was blocking the planes transmissions from the staging area on both scanners.
Also, I took two scanner, next time I'll only bring one, too much trouble to keep track of both of them.

Did find out a use for one of the KY NG frequencies and an input frequency to the 139 MHz frequencies.

I did get some bats stadium frequencies and PL tones too.

 

[RTV1130]

Thunder Over Louisville

This was my first visit to Thunder (live in Covington, KY) and brought a lot of info posted in this and many other forums along with the following equipment: PSR500 with file posted here (thanks) Pro-83 and Alinco RX-10. This was a very communications heavy event and I spent quite some time listening to the published law enforcement frequencies that were active especially on the drive home. I used the PSR500 in sweep mode to find most of the discrete frequencies and to confirm some of the others. Here is my list with my description of their usage:

132.325 Airboss (extremely activie)
123.450 Banner carrying aircraft
123.575 Lima-Lima Air to Air frequency
376.025 Raptor Control (F-22)
45.75 Apache Helicopters (CT showed 151.9)
347.50 Chinook Helicopters
165.9625 Unknown mentioned "Command Post"
149.825 Clear and encrypted P-25 (KYANG?)
149.750 P-25 seemed to be "Traffic Control" (I think these were the guys that assisted police with directing traffic, but I could be wrong)
157.10 River Traffic Law Enforcement and Coast Guard
157.15 Similar to above

This was an excellent Air Show and Fireworks. Weather and work permitting, we will return next year.

Rod Villari
KJ4IAM
Covington, KY

 

[jerk]

SNIP
With my comments following. Here is my list with my description of their usage:

132.325 Airboss (extremely active)
376.025 Raptor Control (F-22)
45.75 Apache Helicopters (CT showed 151.9)
347.50 Chinook Helicopters
165.9625 Unknown mentioned "Command Post"
149.825 Clear and encrypted P-25 (KYANG?)
149.750 P-25 seemed to be "Traffic Control" (I think these were the guys that assisted police with directing traffic, but I could be wrong)
Rod Villari
KJ4IAM
Covington, KY

Air Boss is correct, and yes very active. I also had some hits on 51.51 and another low band with CT tones coming up, but no traffic. Could have been noise.
The CT is correct for 45.75 since Mil related, seems to be a new common tone for most of the military related ones that I’ve seen used locally in the area.

I missed the 165.9625, however that is a “new” VHF government interops channel.
Raptor and Chinooks I caught… agree
149.625 is an input KYNG, to I believe 139.4625 repeater out, I had trouble matching the two because the BCD396 mutes. Still Needs to be confirmed. It is however KYNG,
I was getting Cloe Call hits form their command bus/trailer.

So, with that in mind, I’m guessing 149.75 is also an input, needs to be confirmed.
139.2125 appears simplex, was used by Helicopter to Helicopter ANG at end of the show. KYANG

I think there was a new UHF air boss frequency, but I could not catch it, kept getting something close to 295 MHz, but was also lot’s of wireless and TV remotes.

 

[RTV1130]

Follow Up

Thanks for the follow up. I never thought about the fact that the 149 frequencies were inputs. The PSR500 is frustrating because it sweeps in wide swaths. I was wanting to only check the lower part of the VHF HI band but since Louisville uses this for a lot of Police etc, I was hitting on those a lot and had to lock each out. I did not have it sweeping the VHF low band at first because it slowed things down too much. When I was watching the Apaches it was obvious that they were communicating with each other. They were moving in perfect synchronization. I couldn't figure it out, but then when I finally added VHF it was almost instant that I got the hit. I couldn't tell if the comms were from both Apache or whether they had a spotter giving them instructions.

I don't think that there was a UHF Airboss frequency at all. It seemed that all Military acts communicated with the Airboss on VHF. I was sweeping both Airbands and got hits on the VHF airboss many times but none on UHF. The only UHF hits were the Raptor and the Chinooks.

I was set up down by the Belle of Louisville. I ventured down towards Joe's Crab shack but no further. Where were the comm vans set up at?

 

[jerk]

Did you see the Ball park, one was parked West of there next to where a lot of the RV's were set up, which was almost due South-east of you. Two or three blocks over, the map showed Metro bus in the same area on the other side of the great Lawn, East of you, but I did not see it. KY Command would have been on Floyd St, Ambulances and Sheriff units were running up and down Preston so those Command Posts were near-by as well.

I could not get the GRE/RS 106 to scan a limit, but my BCD396t was getting some close call hits. Signal Stalker on UHF air band received nothing.

I had posted a later update to the CSV frequency list. I'm going to combine that and have it ready for next year and place them into my Uniden and Win500 files.
They are both generic, but include the most commonly used ones.

Also 327.000 SDF Approach/Departure was active for military jets.

 

[chrizby]

Balloon Race

Hopefully the balloon race will be on tomorrow and if so I was wondering if anybody had any idea how the balloons communicated with the chase vehicles. Looks like they might be going over my house.
cheers

 

[jerk]

Hopefully the balloon race will be on tomorrow and if so I was wondering if anybody had any idea how the balloons communicated with the chase vehicles. Looks like they might be going over my house.
cheers

Race is off due to wind...
however, they usally use VHF around 151.000, some ham stuff, some illegally modified, They could also use MURS, GMRS and FRS.
These days they jsut use cell phones.

RCS system active with Derby Fest ops, marathon and preparation for the balloons.
Fleet map needs updating, Block 6 = S3; Block 7 = S11

 

[LouisvilleScanMan]

They are going to try the race again tomorrow.

 

[BigDog-911]

Even though this is already past, the balloons use, for the most part, itinerate frequencies to communicate. I was on the balloon crew for Kroger for the last few years and the pilot had an aircraft radio for tower and other balloons and an itinerate radio for chase. The van we were in had the itinerate in it as well. Sometimes we would run pl, others we would not. Best way that we found to chase was by watching everyone else and knowing area for large group of balloons to land.

Sorry so late but wanted to at least answer.

 

[unitcharlie]

Out of the Loop...

ALL HANDS:
I will be out of the loop Thursday thru Saturday-30 Apr thru 02 May (Will try to be on line for a short time Friday afternoon/evening)-- because of Derby stuff.... If you have any data base updates for Derby get it in the submissions engine NLT Wednesday Evening....
Thanx...

 

[StinkyB]

I have been monitoring the Louisville RCS , had several new TG#'s come up
208-01
211-02
212-01
213-01
602-02 Might be Crowne Hotel Housekeeping
602-04
602-06
603-00
603-02 Might be Crowne Hotel Catering
615-00 Fest-a-Ville, Chow Wagon Ops
615-02 Fest-a-Ville, Chow Wagon Ops


I will keep monitoring to find ID the rest.

 

[jerk]

I have been monitoring the Louisville RCS , had several new TG#'s come up
208-01
211-02
212-01
213-01
602-02 Might be Crowne Hotel Housekeeping
602-04
602-06
603-00
603-02 Might be Crowne Hotel Catering
615-00 Fest-a-Ville, Chow Wagon Ops
615-02 Fest-a-Ville, Chow Wagon Ops
I will keep monitoring to find ID the rest.

What Fleet Map did you use? There is not a 603-00 or 615-00 except in rare cases, In Type I setups, that is an all-call, most business users would not have that. This is how I know my calculations are not accurate when testing theories/sizes.

The latest Map I have submitted is
B0 S0; B1 S0; B2 S2; B3 S3; B5 S2; B6 S2; B7 S11
I only have one ID for block 4 and it's not enough to make any kind of guess.

If Charlie can get my submission in the database, the new fleetmap and some new groups with ID's have been submitted. And if you tell the fleet map, I may be able to translate what you have into the new ones. Though, if saved I believe changing the fleet map in the WinXX software will also change the values to the newer ones

The good news is, this system is really hopping right now and will be for the next few days.

P.S. the catering you are hearing I believe is the "village" at Churchill, lots of talk of food and linens, etc.

 

[StinkyB]

The Current RR fleet map is B0 S0; B1 S0; B2 S2; B3 S3;B4 S3 B5 S6; B6 S6; B7 S11, that is what I am using.

 

[StinkyB]

I also got a private call TG# 32840, they were talking about the Discovery Channel being there? Strange!