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Discussion: FCC Advisory on Two-Way VHF/UHF Radios
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Why should anyone bail you out for your bad decision?
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What's wrong with buying used gear?
I've been licensed 27+ years. I have never paid $700 for an amateur radio handheld transceiver. Nor do I suggest that anyone else do so.
Aside from used radios, which I know can be a crap shoot, there are inexpensive dual-band handhelds that do not put out spurious emissions in excess of Part 97 limits. Two examples are the Anytone AT-3208UV ($50) and the Yaesu FT-4XR ($100). Don't tell me you have to spend $700 or $500 or $250 to get a serviceable dual-band handheld because it simply isn't true.
kayn1n32008
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No idea.
My last brand new, unopened in the box, was my TM-V71A, that was like 5-6 years ago.
Most of my portables are used. I have not paid more than $150 for any of them. Most have at least a second battery, charger, D-ring leather case and speaker mic. Most would retail in the US$1000 area.
Quality equipment is out there, for reasonable prices.
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Have you tested any of the BTECH Part 90/95 radios?
My UV-5X3 is a noisy little beast and I only use it out in the boonies where I'm unlikely to be causing a problem.
However, I have 3 of the UV-82C with Part 90 stickers on them, and the GMRS-V1 which is Part 95 for GMRS.
Just using a simple RTL SDR, it is clear that the 5x3 has a lot of spurs (can't tell if over the limits), but the other 4 radios seem to be far better.
I have not tested a UV-82C. I may have to buy one just to find out. Or, bring yours to a hamfest I'm attending and we'll test it.
I have tested a UV-82HP and the results were shown in post 102 of this thread.
I have also tested a UV-5X3 and, in my opinion, it's non-compliant with Part 97 on both the 144 and 222 MHz bands.
I have tested a UV-82HP and the results were shown in post 102 of this thread.
I have also tested a UV-5X3 and, in my opinion, it's non-compliant with Part 97 on both the 144 and 222 MHz bands.
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It's Obvious You Missed My Point...
It is obvious by your post that you completely missed my point, but then again... considering most (if not all) of your posts reveals your "Anti-BaoFeng" attitude, I can understand why you said what you said.
A loyal BaoFeng user.
73 to ya...
BaoFeng Blogger KN4OTS
It is obvious by your post that you completely missed my point, but then again... considering most (if not all) of your posts reveals your "Anti-BaoFeng" attitude, I can understand why you said what you said.
A loyal BaoFeng user.
73 to ya...
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BaoFeng_Blogger
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Here's Another "Anti-BaoFeng" Poster...
Of course, there are some people who have more money than... ahhh, other people. That's why they can purchase the more expensive units. Only thing I can say is... "Must be nice!"
73 to ya...
BaoFeng Blogger KN4OTS
Of course, there are some people who have more money than... ahhh, other people. That's why they can purchase the more expensive units. Only thing I can say is... "Must be nice!"
73 to ya...
BaoFeng Blogger KN4OTS
BaoFeng_Blogger, you don't like them because they're good. You like them because they're cheap, with "cheap" being the operative word. It's obvious they don't work the way the present system intends. If BF (which rhymes with BS) cleaned up the radio, it would be great.
Again, people seem to be missing the point of this advisory. It isn't about spectral purity, them being a piece of crap (and I'm not saying they are or aren't), it's about this...
"Many of these radios violate one or more FCC technical requirements. For example, some can be modified to transmit on public safety and other land mobile channels for which they are not authorized, while others are capable of prohibited wideband operations. Such radios are illegal, and many have the potential to negatively affect public safety, aviation, and other operations by Federal, state, and local agencies, as well as private users."
"Many of these radios violate one or more FCC technical requirements. For example, some can be modified to transmit on public safety and other land mobile channels for which they are not authorized, while others are capable of prohibited wideband operations. Such radios are illegal, and many have the potential to negatively affect public safety, aviation, and other operations by Federal, state, and local agencies, as well as private users."
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More money than brains?
Get lost.
If the interface was not garbage, they did not radiate Spurs at the same power as the intended carrier, and had some QA/QC I would not rag on them.
Most of my gear is LMR. so what. I made a intentional decision to not by garbage equipment. I also waited for the right deals to come by.
I payed $44.17 for a TK-390 with speaker mic, charger and carry case.
Traded a used CAT-200 repeater controller for a NX-200.
I was given a NX-700 from a friend that no longer needed it when he moved across the country.
I was given a TK-8180HK2 from another friend that did not want to be bothered to try and sell it.
The point is, you don’t need to spend a lot of money for quality gear if you are patient. The right deal will come by. Buying a garbage pail radio because it is ‘cheap’ is a cop out.
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I don't doubt that there are unscrupulous business practices going on. Hopefully it isn't the norm. When I bought the radio that was frequency limited, it was advertised as such. ( I believe all of the radios that they sold that weren't Part 90 were frequency limited.) As I mentioned, it was no big deal to me as I only use it for ham use. I saw far more of the same model being advertised as wide open by other vendors although those must have been selling faster as many vendors were out of stock at the time. I'd guess that there were far more open radios being sold than the limited ones.
Actively encouraging your customer to break law is just plain !@#$%
^^^^This!
Even if the cheap Chinese radios were spectrally pure in their emissions, they would still not be certifiable for Part 90 for commercial use or for Part 95 for GMRS use unless they were not user programmable
For amateur use they would have to be locked to the authorized amateur bands.
I Guess No One Wanted to Read Kevin,s Post (#152)--I See This Thread Closing Soon Due to the Arrogance Being Thrown Around Again
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JasonTracy
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Check out the BTECH Part 90/95 radios. You can program receive-only frequencies, but the MURS and GMRS radios are incapable of transmission outside their license.
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This is all that matters to me. If ANYONE using ANYTHING interferes with public safety, aircraft, or military communications, they should expect a full force of a fecal storm to come their way.
The problem is these radios are being put into the hands of those who do NOT know that out of the box, they may be on frequencies utilized by emergency services in their area, or spurious emissions causing harmful interference originate from these devices. These radios are turds. Putting equipment with the unfettered capability to radiate RF onto public safety frequencies is as bad as putting loaded guns into the hands of young children and then wonder why dead bodies pile up all over the place.
These Turdfengs should have never been sold the way they were (and still are) being marketed.
I doubt that. All radios sold by Uniden here in the US are FCC Type accepted. Save that line for the newbies, I'm not buying it.
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