DMR Con+ P & R 113 System

[mtindor]

Thanks. And, FYI:

Google Map of P&R (trunked licenses only):

https://goo.gl/Dq318A

Mike

 

[mtindor]

113 -19 dcc 5 451.0095 ch 1 & 2 ( not currently able to receive another cc likely )

113-19 451.009375
- either Columbus WQUF943 or Cleveland WQVI652

Not sure of your location, but I'd guess you are much farther away from Cleveland. However, you're probably not close to Columbus either, and so you probably received that during some tropo enhancement. That might make it extra hard to determine where this site is.

mike

 

[mtindor]

113 - 15 dcc 1 451.4745 ( I show as a cc in my list but dont have a ch # yet an is not currently active )

113 Site 15 is likely Springfield (Clark Co)
- only P&R license with 451.475 in it is WPMQ982
- other possible licenses with frequencies for Site 15 are:

WNQH386
WQRD459

Mike

 

[j0atm0n]

Not sure of your location, but I'd guess you are much farther away from Cleveland. However, you're probably not close to Columbus either, and so you probably received that during some tropo enhancement. That might make it extra hard to determine where this site is.

mike

yeah it was the morning after the severe weather went thru the area i was in dmr heaven , 6 - 127 sites out of indiana , a few 128's 132 's and a gm plant on the 395 network .

btw im in wapakoneta ohio ( 45895 zip ) just south of lima .

 

[mtindor]

113 - 10 dcc1 Both 461.4865 ( unk ch #'s - to faint of signal ) and 463,6625 CH 5 - 6 as cc's

113 Site 10 - likely Bellefontaine (Logan)
- WPQH258 has both 461.4875 and 463.6625
- other licenses with freqs that may be on this site:

WPEH891

Mike

 

[mtindor]

yeah it was the morning after the severe weather went thru the area i was in dmr heaven , 6 - 127 sites out of indiana , a few 128's 132 's and a gm plant on the 395 network .

btw im in wapakoneta ohio ( 45895 zip ) just south of lima .

Excellent. I have a love/hate relationship with the tropo enhancement. It always seems to occur either when I'm sleeping or working. I'm always scrambling to either get things at the tail end before everything drops out, or figure out a way to ignore work long enough to have some fun.

mike

 

[j0atm0n]

sorry i havent followed up in a while, I Fried my usb dongle the other day , waiting on the replacements to arrive in mail so i can continue researching this system .

 

[j0atm0n]

113-1 dayton updates submitted

but its a little weird , lcn ch 5&6 451.7875 witch is a alt control channel ,
isn't active as a voice channel when the main control channel 452.4375 is in use.
and gets "skipped over " when monitoring .

And the lcn ch 1&2 452.4375 control channel is dcc 5 and the voice channels are all dcc 1.

 

[mtindor]

113-1 dayton updates submitted

but its a little weird , lcn ch 5&6 451.7875 witch is a alt control channel ,
isn't active as a voice channel when the main control channel 452.4375 is in use.
and gets "skipped over " when monitoring .

And the lcn ch 1&2 452.4375 control channel is dcc 5 and the voice channels are all dcc 1.

Seems to be a pretty big site. Maybe they just use 451.7875 as a data channel when 452.4375 is the active CC.

Very nice work on that site, Mike.

Hopefully you'll get conditions and timing that will permit more sleuthing of sites 9,10,14,15,17,19. Based upon previous info, we probably know what three of those sites are. But it would be nice to get another frequency logged for each of them for confirmation. No pressure. I know you bust your *** trying to map this system out, and I know it's not easy.

Mike

 

[j0atm0n]

Getting ready to submit what i have for 113-9


ticket # 171433

 

[j0atm0n]

Here's a few that i have logged so far that are not listed anywhere in the db yet :


113 - 7
; NL 1 2 4 9 15
452.3875 and 463.4245 unable to determine LCN's yet

----------------------------------------------
113-10
; NL 4 5 8 15 16
; 463.6625 and 461.4865 are cc but couldn't catch the LCN of 461.4865

LCN CH# 5-6 463.6625
-----------------------------------------------
113 - 14
; NL 1 2 9 15 16
LCN CH # 1-2 452.3375 - Control channel
451.901 unknown LCN
------------------------------------------------
113 - 15
; NL 4 9 10 14 16
LCN CH # 1-2 451.4745 - Control Channel
LCN CH # 3-4 462.000
LCN CH # 7-8 452.600 - Control Channel
-----------------------------------------------
113 - 17
; NL 1 3 4 11 12
LCN CH # 3-4 451.4495 - Control
451.838 Unknown LCN
464.762 Unkown LCN
------------------------------------------------
113-19
; NL 1 2 12 17

LCN CH # 1-2 451.0095 - Control ( DCC 5 )

 

[mtindor]

Here's a few that i have logged so far that are not listed anywhere in the db yet :


113 - 7
; NL 1 2 4 9 15
452.3875 and 463.4245 unable to determine LCN's yet

----------------------------------------------
113-10
; NL 4 5 8 15 16
; 463.6625 and 461.4865 are cc but couldn't catch the LCN of 461.4865

LCN CH# 5-6 463.6625
-----------------------------------------------
113 - 14
; NL 1 2 9 15 16
LCN CH # 1-2 452.3375 - Control channel
451.901 unknown LCN
------------------------------------------------
113 - 15
; NL 4 9 10 14 16
LCN CH # 1-2 451.4745 - Control Channel
LCN CH # 3-4 462.000
LCN CH # 7-8 452.600 - Control Channel
-----------------------------------------------
113 - 17
; NL 1 3 4 11 12
LCN CH # 3-4 451.4495 - Control
451.838 Unknown LCN
464.762 Unkown LCN
------------------------------------------------
113-19
; NL 1 2 12 17

LCN CH # 1-2 451.0095 - Control ( DCC 5 )

With that info i've figured out four more sites [with enough confidence for me to add them]. How about submitting this very info. I know, you aren't attesting to teh fact that any of these sites are in any particular city, but I'll match what I can to licenses and add those sites. A least people will then see the sites and you'll have some callsigns attached to them so you can look at the licenses for potential other frequencies that may work on the sites.

If I had gotten the information myself from firsthand monitoring, I would have submitted it. At least submit the stuff for sites 10/14/15/17.

Mike

 

[j0atm0n]

Just submitted ticket # 171458 with all the information from my above post.

Im re organizing / re ordering all my logs from this morning so i can continue to research the next time the skies open up and i can track down more.

 

[mtindor]

Sounds good. The more stuff you find/submit that gets added to the DB, the easier it is to rule those locations and perhaps allow us to determine some other sites.

Thanks

Mike

 

[j0atm0n]

in ref to the note on color codes on the ticket ,
almost all of them are dcc 1 unless i noted otherwise ,
i'll try to include them in future entries to avoid confusion,
i just assume that the bulk majority of dmr signals are dcc1

 

[mtindor]

in ref to the note on color codes on the ticket ,
almost all of them are dcc 1 unless i noted otherwise ,
i'll try to include them in future entries to avoid confusion,
i just assume that the bulk majority of dmr signals are dcc1

It's be nice to assume that, but in my particular neck of the woods I see mostly color code 12 and color code 9 with a smattering of color code 1.

And we know that in the past color code has been logged on some frequencies off the P & R system. So we should probably assume (but always need to verify) that a P & R color code would be 1 or 5, at least for LCNs we've seen thus far.

Thanks for being as thorough as possible though. The more info we have, the better off we are.

Mike

 

[mtindor]

Active frequencies with unconfirmed LCNs have been moved to the Wiki

Hi Folks,

In some cases there were frequencies listed under a particular site which (a) were confirmed to be active but (b) we did not have the confirmed LCN. These frequencies have been moved to the wiki.

I would encourage people to go to P & R Communications Connect Plus (Ohio) Trunking System, Various, Ohio - Scanner Frequencies and then click on the Wiki link to see what frequencies are known to be active on a particular site but which don't have the LCN confirmed.

I'd ask that any of you who are savvy in determining LCN order and/or finding new/active frequencies for a site look at both (a) the site licenses under each site and (b) the information in the wiki. With that information you can help update the database by tracking down new frequencies that might be active on a site as well as determine their LCN.

The unconfirmed LCNs had to be removed from the database, as having them listed in the database caused issues with proper trunktracking of the sites when people would program those sites into their scanner.

Thanks

Mike

 

[j0atm0n]

I'm down to limited reception due to my amplified antenna taking a crapola , but im still try to grab some data when I can. ( now using my backup bowtie 's )

I just wish some of these Chinese manufactures would use a little bit more weather proofing on a antenna listed as being " outdoor " antenna .

 

[hardt0303]

I submitted site 15 Springfield tonight
Springfield Site 15
LCN -1 451.475
LCN -2 462.000
LCN -3 451.75
LCN -4 452.600
LCN -5 462.375
LCN -6 451.700

I confirmed these today

 

[mtindor]

I submitted site 15 Springfield tonight
Springfield Site 15
LCN -1 451.475
LCN -2 462.000
LCN -3 451.75
LCN -4 452.600
LCN -5 462.375
LCN -6 451.700

I confirmed these today

Nice job Matt. Thanks for the submission. The DB has been updated!

mike