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You should be able to get the parts at your local Radio Shack I'd imagine...Up here in Canada they really don't carry much in the way of components anymore, but I believe the American stores still have a bit of a selection. In my radio I'm using a 10uF 50v cap, and a 4.6k & 10k resistor for the voltage divider.
 

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Well, I appreciate that northern neighbor. This has been 1 crazy chase.. Its easier going signal stalking in a city than what I went thru.. Gotta run--check ya soon! Ron
 

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Rubycon 10uF 50V Thru-Hole Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitor Low Impedance 20% (Bag of 10): Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific
Resistor 10K ohm 1/2W from Wholesale Electronics
Did what I had to do, now Ive done a BETTER search than I did a thousand times back. Sheesh, if I'd have known. See, round here-theres little help. Not to down anyone-just saying, my region is so analog crazed. While p25 is to my south and west. No customer reps knew anything about it, at a certain store...I know people who cant even say ltr, they love analog straight.. Oh well.. time to spend some money..
 

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I am having a hard time trying to find a 4.6k resistor-any suggestions? I can get the 10uf 50v cap, 10k resistor-not 4.6..Hmmm
 
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That pic shows a 47k resistor (not 47 ohm)... That tap design doesn't use a voltage divider, which will give you better performance with signals like DMR uses. Here's what you want to do:

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Tap Point --- + side of cap --- 10k resistor --+-- 3.5mm socket (tip contact)
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                                                ---- 4.7k resistor ---- Ground

I dunno if that made any sense or not... basically you want to come off the tap point on the board (in your case TP4) and go to the + side of your capacitor. From the negative leg of the cap go into the 10k resistor then out of that resistor onto the tip contact of your 3.5mm jack. Now take the 4.7k resistor and put it from the tip contact on the jack (where you just tied the 10k to) and put the other leg on the jack's ground tab. Then using a short piece of wire take the ground tab of the jack to ground in the radio (I usually just go to one the metal shields on the board, or whatever is convenient).
 

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Thanx again! Oh, I wish I'd paid attention in skool-lol..I'll wait til 1-1-13 to get started. You know how it goes at THIS time of year. Empty your pockets and be merry. No offense to holiday. Thx!! million times over.. Have a great holy-day
 

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would like to attempt to make a tap for my pro-106. I found this thread most helpful, so Id like to say thanks for the helpful step by step information.

From what I have read, what I need to go purchase is 2 capacitors, 1 resistor, and a perf board. What type of wire will I need to connect the tap to the 9mm audio cable?

I plan on purchasing the following from RS. can you tell me if it's what I need?

1) 10K ohm 1/2W 5% Carbon Film Resistor pk/5 : Resistors | RadioShack.com
2) 4.7K ohm 1/2W 5% Carbon Film Resistor pk/5 : Resistors | RadioShack.com
3) 100µf 50V 20% Radial-lead Electrolytic Capacitor | RadioShack.com
4) Pre-Punched IC-Spacing Perfboard : Perfboards | RadioShack.com
5) 1/8 Stereo Panel-Mount Audio Jack (2-Pack) : Audio Jacks | RadioShack.com
 

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Actually its the other way around... 1 cap and 2 resistors. And no real need for perf board or anything like that.
 

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Actually its the other way around... 1 cap and 2 resistors. And no real need for perf board or anything like that.


I was using the numbers as a list, not as a quantity, sorry for all the confusion.

I wish there was a video or step by step photo on how to build the tap. I read the instructions and think I know how to do it, but not 100% sure.
 
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You don't need a perf board. Just connect the + leg of the tantalum capacitor to the tap point on the scanner and the - leg to the center pin of the connector you will use to make the tap accessible outside of the scanner (or to the resistor, which will then be connected to the center pin).

Best engineering practice would be to use single-conductor shielded wire in the smallest guage you can handle. Then connect the shield to ground in the scanner and to the ring side of your external connector.
 

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You don't need a perf board. Just connect the + leg of the tantalum capacitor to the tap point on the scanner and the - leg to the center pin of the connector you will use to make the tap accessible outside of the scanner (or to the resistor, which will then be connected to the center pin).

Best engineering practice would be to use single-conductor shielded wire in the smallest guage you can handle. Then connect the shield to ground in the scanner and to the ring side of your external connector.

You only mentioned 2 parts.... 1 capacitor and 1 resistor , I thought there was supposed to be 1 cap and 2 resistors +the 3.5 mm jack.
 

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Typically, most taps can get away with just a series resistor and a series cap. The resistor provides a modicum of isolation between the computer sound card audio input and the radio receiver's discriminator output that the tap is connected to which prevents the sound card from "loading down" and severely affecting the discriminator circuit. The cap is used to provide blockage to possible DC current that might be present on the discriminator output. Neither is always necessary - it depends on the receiver and sound card designs but that basic arrangement is usually a good "best practice" to follow. Having no components at all in line of the tap does mean that the full bandwidth of the discriminator output is present on the line so this provides the maximum flexibility for attempting a wide range of demodulating differing types of signals.

Using two resistors instead of one is usually done in the form of a "voltage divider" arrangement - this is usually for "stepping down" the audio amplitude coming from the discriminator in case it is too hot for the sound card to handle. In such a case, the smaller resistor is shunted to ground at one end while the other end is attached to the series resistor coming from the discriminator (the end of the series resistor not attached to the discriminator - the end facing the sound card input). In the reverse of this - larger resistor shunted while smaller in series - it is likely more for providing a more optimum "resistive load" to either the sound card or discriminator.

In most cases, a series 10K resistor in series with a large (1uF or more) cap usually works fine and only needs to be altered if amplitude (audio level) and/or frequency (signal bandwidth) issues need to be addressed. I have a tap on my old Pro2052 which is "naked" - no isolating components, resistor or cap, in line and it has worked fine using many different sound cards. Still, if unsure, it's best to at least put the series resistor (10K or so) inline.

All of this can be done either with or without mounting components on a perf board or PCB - just directly soldering them together with the cable. Using a board, especially when using three components in the voltage divider setup, yields a cleaner look and better mechanical stability. When only one or two series components are used, you can usually get along fine by simply soldering the components together and then either wrapping some electrical tape around them (to prevent shorting) or using heat shrink tubing.

-Mike
 

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Mike I got the tap done, its very jerry rigged, the scanner is only screwed down on the bottom two screws but hey it's working.....

I started DSD but could not figure out how to change commands, then I found reference to creating a cmd file in the wordpad and adding the needed code , then re-running the program by double clicking it, is this what I need to do? I can hear the P25 and get it to show up in the display P25p1 ...

Do I have the settings right so I can try to monitor other digital forms?
 

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Mike I got the tap done, its very jerry rigged, the scanner is only screwed down on the bottom two screws but hey it's working.....

I started DSD but could not figure out how to change commands, then I found reference to creating a cmd file in the wordpad and adding the needed code , then re-running the program by double clicking it, is this what I need to do? I can hear the P25 and get it to show up in the display P25p1 ...

Do I have the settings right so I can try to monitor other digital forms?

Unfortunately, I am only barely cognizant in using DSD so I can't currently help you for this question but if you post your settings then I am sure that others will help you out on this. Basically, I can tell you it is like a DOS command structure where you have to set switches in the command line; I haven't actually played with DSD for quite awhile and need to bone up on this myself.

-Mike
 
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