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do I need to put anything on the Coax / Antenna connection??

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I painted it Sky Blue to blend in with the sky on nice days..... do I need to put something around were the coax screws onto the antenna???? I was going to fill it with electricians' putty but it looks like maybe there are drains??? but DO I NEED to put anything on it???? the connection is pretty recessed so pretty hard to get to it... they only leave a little area to screw it on... I know they sell tape and stuff.. but do I NEED anything???? 32 foot pole looked a lot shorter in my mind and I found out wrestling that up onto the side of the garage is not a one man job.... so after it is up... it's not coming down again... so whatever I need to do, to the connection I want to do it now. thank you all
 

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I painted it Sky Blue to blend in with the sky on nice days..... do I need to put something around were the coax screws onto the antenna???? I was going to fill it with electricians' putty but it looks like maybe there are drains??? but DO I NEED to put anything on it???? the connection is pretty recessed so pretty hard to get to it... they only leave a little area to screw it on... I know they sell tape and stuff.. but do I NEED anything???? 32 foot pole looked a lot shorter in my mind and I found out wrestling that up onto the side of the garage is not a one man job.... so after it is up... it's not coming down again... so whatever I need to do, to the connection I want to do it now. thank you all
I have a lot of questions regarding grounding and such but not sure exactly what you're doing here but to answer your specific question, I'm a dinosaur so..

There is definitely something I use which is an old product and I know there's better stuff out there and I'm sure someone will chime in with it but I like to use something called coax-seal, it comes in a roll and it's a putty like sealant.

After you screw on your pl-259 tightly on the antenna before you rap the connection with the gooey sealant you would want to use electrical tape first, not as a sealant but if you ever want to remove the pl259 it will be a lot easier with the electrical tape underneath. You would just take a medical clamp, you know, like to clamp off veins and arteries in an operation it's a common tool used in radio, I advise using one of those straight or curved but you're going to want to get the wrapping of the electrical tape all the way to the top of the pl259 plug. I guess a very small needle nose pliers would work too or something else that small enough to get up in there.

When you apply the sealant it's the same deal, start at the very top and wrap it around the whole pl259 connection using a clamp or pointy nose pliers so it's nice and tight and you can actually mold it with your fingers as high up as you can go or using maybe a wide nail file. You have to improvise here so that you get a nice thick tight waterproof wrap around the connection.

Water getting into your coax is the worst problem and it's pretty common if you don't protect connections with some kind of waterproof seal.

You can buy the clamp at any medical supply store as nurses use the clamp every day to clamp off IV tubing and other types of tubing. They're easy to buy. Look up the coax-seal on the internet and you can have it in a couple of days.

Use good quality electrical tape underneath, if you ever have to unscrew the pl259 all you would have to do is use your clamp and unravel the electrical tape and all the goo will come with it, without the tape you're going to have nothing but a mess if you tried to remove the pl259.

Not sure about painting your CB antenna, don't know what that'll do to performance. I don't know, I have never seen that done.
 
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I have a lot of questions regarding grounding and such but not sure exactly what you're doing here but to answer your specific question, I'm a dinosaur so..

There is definitely something I use which is an old product and I know there's better stuff out there and I'm sure someone will chime in with it but I like to use something called coax-seal, it comes in a roll and it's a putty like sealant.

After you screw on your pl-259 tightly on the antenna before you rap the connection with the gooey sealant you would want to use electrical tape first, not as a sealant but if you ever want to remove the pl259 it will be a lot easier with the electrical tape underneath. You would just take a medical clamp, you know, like to clamp off veins and arteries in an operation it's a common tool used in radio, I advise using one of those straight or curved but you're going to want to get the wrapping of the electrical tape all the way to the top of the pl259 plug. I guess a very small needle nose pliers would work too or something else that small enough to get up in there.

When you apply the sealant it's the same deal, start at the very top and wrap it around the whole pl259 connection using a clamp or pointy nose pliers so it's nice and tight and you can actually mold it with your fingers as high up as you can go or using maybe a wide nail file. You have to improvise here so that you get a nice thick tight waterproof wrap around the connection.

Water getting into your coax is the worst problem and it's pretty common if you don't protect connections with some kind of waterproof seal.

You can buy the clamp at any medical supply store as nurses use the clamp every day to clamp off IV tubing and other types of tubing. They're easy to buy. Look up the coax-seal on the internet and you can have it in a couple of days.

Use good quality electrical tape underneath, if you ever have to unscrew the pl259 all you would have to do is use your clamp and unravel the electrical tape and all the goo will come with it, without the tape you're going to have nothing but a mess if you tried to remove the pl259.

Not sure about painting your CB antenna, don't know what that'll do to performance. I don't know, I have nevert done.
So I guess I've got to waterproof it.... I was hoping the reason they made the antenna longer than the so239 was so it didn't need anything as most of the pl259 is inside the antenna .... I had planned on encasing it with the waterproof putty.... Not really sure if there is a drain on the bottom... But I'll see about getting some coax waterproofing
 

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Yes, you absolutely need to waterproof the connection. UHF connectors are not waterproof by design. Beware anyone that tells you that you don't need to, or that they "have not done it and never had an issue".

Water will eventually get in there, either directly or via condensation. It will corrode the copper and travel down the coax. It'll make a huge mess, and you'll spend lots of time troubleshooting intermittent issues.

Coax seal will work. Silicone tape will work.

Do not block any drain holes on the antenna, those are "weep holes" and they allow any condensation to get out of the antenna.
 

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Yes, you absolutely need to waterproof the connection. UHF connectors are not waterproof by design. Beware anyone that tells you that you don't need to, or that they "have not done it and never had an issue".

Water will eventually get in there, either directly or via condensation. It will corrode the copper and travel down the coax. It'll make a huge mess, and you'll spend lots of time troubleshooting intermittent issues.

Coax seal will work. Silicone tape will work.

Do not block any drain holes on the antenna, those are "weep holes" and they allow any condensation to get out of the antenna.
ok Mmckenna you've never steered me wrong yet. thank you
 

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So I guess I've got to waterproof it.... I was hoping the reason they made the antenna longer than the so239 was so it didn't need anything as most of the pl259 is inside the antenna .... I had planned on encasing it with the waterproof putty.... Not really sure if there is a drain on the bottom... But I'll see about getting some coax waterproofing
Couldn't get back online till now. The key is using the electrical tape and making sure that you get high enough and bring it all the way down low enough that you completely water seal the pl259.

You should see what the connection looks like on a non-waterproofed pl259 after a decade or so, you are going to end up having to troubleshoot anyway.
 

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Couldn't get back online till now. The key is using the electrical tape and making sure that you get high enough and bring it all the way down low enough that you completely water seal the pl259.

You should see what the connection looks like on a non-waterproofed pl259 after a decade or so, you are going to end up having to troubleshoot anyway.
I sent away for some Coax Seal tonight... and I'll do my best to wrap it... as in my picture ... no room in the antenna to wrap it... I don't know why Shakespeare made the PL259 so recessed into the antenna but they did and wrapping it will not be easy.
 

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I sent away for some Coax Seal tonight... and I'll do my best to wrap it... as in my picture ... no room in the antenna to wrap it... I don't know why Shakespeare made the PL259 so recessed into the antenna but they did and wrapping it will not be easy.

I've run across a few antennas like that. You can carefully use a screwdriver to tuck it up in there around the connector.
Might be the idea is to keep it out of the drip area, but I think it's a poor design.
 

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I sent away for some ckeCoax Seal tonight... and I'll do my best to wrap it... as in my picture ... no room in the antenna to wrap it... I don't know why Shakespeare made the PL259 so recessed into the antenna but they did and wrapping it will not be easy.
Yes if you can pick up one of those surgical clamps that I was talking about curved is really best you can get them in any medical supply store as I say nurses use them all the time to clamp IV tubes and other drain tubes and things like that. I remember they were always available at Radio Shack LOL. A file could be used or of course a slotted screwdriver is perfect as @mmckenna says.

Good luck with your project, let us see how it looks.
 

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I painted it Sky Blue to blend in with the sky on nice days..... do I need to put something around were the coax screws onto the antenna???? I was going to fill it with electricians' putty but it looks like maybe there are drains??? but DO I NEED to put anything on it???? the connection is pretty recessed so pretty hard to get to it... they only leave a little area to screw it on... I know they sell tape and stuff.. but do I NEED anything???? 32 foot pole looked a lot shorter in my mind and I found out wrestling that up onto the side of the garage is not a one man job.... so after it is up... it's not coming down again... so whatever I need to do, to the connection I want to do it now. thank you all
Oh yes, you'll definitely need to waterproof it as 259s are absolutely not waterproof.
Liquid electrical tape followed by a good dose of self-amalgamating tape is a good way to go although you can use other things. Denso tape is good, if messy, and is easy enough to remove when needed, but messy (did I mention that?)
I would avoid vinyl electrical tape as this gives somewhere for water to sit, even if covered afterwards.
 

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Oh yes, you'll definitely need to waterproof it as 259s are absolutely not waterproof.
Liquid electrical tape followed by a good dose of self-amalgamating tape is a good way to go although you can use other things. Denso tape is good, if messy, and is easy enough to remove when needed, but messy (did I mention that?)
I would avoid vinyl electrical tape as this gives somewhere for water to sit, even if covered afterwards.
Back in the day I used to use 3M gafters tape. The tape is not waterproof it's only to give a base for a large amount of coax-seal, molded tightly, talk about messy, I learned the hard way about putting the tape on first.

If you do need to change out the coax, once you probe around the sealant with the surgical clamp and get a hold of the tape it comes off pretty clean and the sealant comes with it.😉
 

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The best I found is DOW #4 compound. Pack a little into the connectors, then wrap with a layer of 3M electrical tape.
I used to use the industrial cable seal but trying a layer of 'FlexSeal'
4 years and no sign of water intrusion, the connectors look new.
 
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