DTR Rebanding

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Non-P25 systems will require a firmware update, if one is possible, as the band plan ("channel numbers") are hard coded into the scanner based on how non-P25 systems work (they just send the channel number assignment, not enough info to derive the frequency without a channel table). Scanners can derive the voice channel frequency on P25 systems w/o using a channel table. For the Colorado DTR, you should only have to program in any control channel frequency changes.

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UPMan said:
Based on our current understanding of the changes being made for rebanding, no firmware updates should be necessary for continued monitoring of P25, EDACS, LTR, and conventional systems. Users will need to update the scanner's programmed frequencies to include any new Control Channel assignments (for P25) and to reflect revised LCN's for EDACS and LTR systems.

You didn't address Motorola non-P25 trunked systems. Since there are more of these than there are P25, EDACS and LTR are you saying existing scannrs will continue to work when 821 systems are moved down?
 

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I totally understand now, thanks.

I knew that P25 CCs had the channel information I just thought the whole thing would change.

Now UHF P25 will have no problems? Correct? Still P25 but just to be sure here.
 

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The reason people get confused about Motorola systems is that they forget that there is more than one kind of Motorola system. For the older type 1 (they should rip it anyway) and the type II systems, SOME frequencies will not track properly. The frequencies below 854 (about) were not originally trunking frequencies, so they were not in the plan when trunking channel numbers for the radios and scanners were assigned. So if a system uses NPSPAC channels (approx. 866-869 – moves to approx. 851-854) and is a Moto. type I or II, your scanner will not track any more (unless updated).

For the new full P25 trunking systems, the frequencies are calculated from a base frequency. Currently DTR already uses 851.00625 as the base frequency and the P25 standard uses a simple formula to calculate the actual frequency used. This is the lowest frequency available in the new NPSPAC band. So the current frequencies are already calculated from this base frequency. Time will tell, but I would argue that no update should be required for DTR or any other full P25 (9600 bps control) system. If it is required it's because the scanner manufacturers did something wrong.

There are issues of bandwidth. Currently the 851-854 band is not technically used with 12.5 KHz channels like it will be. But any decent radio and scanner made in the last several years already uses 12.5 KHz (or even 6.25 KHz) steps. The Pro-96 does.
 

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UPMan said:
UHF isn't subject to rebanding. Just 800.

I am such a moron. I don't know what I was thinking. Of course I knew it was 800 MHz rebanding. :lol:

I guess I just had too much P25 on the brain. :)
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