- Joined
- Jul 1, 2016
- Messages
- 664
651 Pine St is dead as of a couple weeks ago. All of the equipment is gone.
I believe WROX296 is the new central prime site. If it's not prime, then it's definitely replacing 651.
There are clearly two towers visible at this location now...
... where there has been only one.
I believe WROX296 is the new central prime site. If it's not prime, then it's definitely replacing 651.
There are clearly two towers visible at this location now...
... where there has been only one.
Outerdog, you're correct. They built the site out over the past month. It's up on the hillside in the Carquinez Regional Park area above downtown.
Looks like the COCO Central Simulcast is down as of 5am. Might be weather related. CCFPD is dispatching on VCON Central. Any idea on what channels the local PDs are on.
EDIT: Looks like central is back up as of 6:05am. Lots of radio checks.
EDIT: Looks like central is back up as of 6:05am. Lots of radio checks.
Last edited:
Does anyone have any updated info as to which departments, if any, plan on encrypting dispatch comms? I have read docs that state all dispatch centers on EBRCS have been equipped with encryption but it is up to each individual department to decide and then fund their department's encrypted radios. I am aware of agencies currently enc, but curious about the future. I hope we can keep the discussion focused on EBRCS. Thanks.
I have no actual inside information, but I’m going to guess any agency that doesn’t already do their record checks on a secondary service channel are likely candidates. Are they planning on going AES or ADP? At last check, Antioch and Brentwood were running ADP per DSDPlus.
mmckenna
I ♥ Ø
ADP would not meet the CADOJ/FBI standards. They are supposed to be using AES-256.
Here is an item culled from their operations committee minutes Feb 16, 2024 and sounds like they don't know who is going encrypted:
"Encryption
EBRCSA has encrypted every radio console for law enforcement. Some agencies
have not purchased encryption. EBRCSA has built the code plug, the radio shops
are going to start taking reservations in order to put it into radios. Once encryption
has been put into every single radio, they will then have to move it on the channel.
Fleetmaps have been done and as well as the encryption on the consoles.
EBRCSA’s part if done now it is on the radio shops. One hinderance for radio shops
has been their work on other projects. Agencies would like a list of which agencies
are encrypting."
"Encryption
EBRCSA has encrypted every radio console for law enforcement. Some agencies
have not purchased encryption. EBRCSA has built the code plug, the radio shops
are going to start taking reservations in order to put it into radios. Once encryption
has been put into every single radio, they will then have to move it on the channel.
Fleetmaps have been done and as well as the encryption on the consoles.
EBRCSA’s part if done now it is on the radio shops. One hinderance for radio shops
has been their work on other projects. Agencies would like a list of which agencies
are encrypting."
And from Alameda County IT dept:
The Encryption Project expands our neighboring communities interoperability and ensures DOJ regulatory compliance. EBRCSA has approximately 14,000 radios and approximately 190 consoles that require a programming technician to implement encryption. Careful coordination among all law enforcement and cooperating agencies is critical to maintain interoperability during the implementation of this project. We will also be upgrading the radios to accept multi-key and over-the-air programming at the same time we add encryption.
The Encryption Project expands our neighboring communities interoperability and ensures DOJ regulatory compliance. EBRCSA has approximately 14,000 radios and approximately 190 consoles that require a programming technician to implement encryption. Careful coordination among all law enforcement and cooperating agencies is critical to maintain interoperability during the implementation of this project. We will also be upgrading the radios to accept multi-key and over-the-air programming at the same time we add encryption.
Found a new TG 5610, sounds like USCG security for Novato, Alameda, and Yerba Buena Island.
There's also a robo dispatcher for Berkeley Fire on TG 2107
SWC
Newbie
I appreciate your updates. Thank you!
Also added Fire Command talkgroups for Oakland and Vallejo, and some public works talkgroups for Concord and Walnut Creek. I've been using Broadcastify Calls recordings to try to identify talkgroups.
Interesting! I know when I lived in Berkeley they constantly had issues with FD dispatch alerts and were working on a new replacement system. Perhaps this is part of that setup, nice to see. Thanks for the database update
The newest update from the operations committee on encryption:
"Executive Director McCarthy stated he met with ETS to start discussing encryption. Captain Miguel Ibarra who is going to work on encryption for the Sheriff’s Office because the process is big with all the divisions, including the jail. That opened it up to Oakland Housing Authority now that Oakland is coming on. You will have to get Piedmont, Alameda, Berkeley and all the others involved whether or not they are ready. What is happening is that you are creating the code plug as to what the agency wants to have encrypted and then they will load it into the radios as being encrypted. Once you encrypt a talk group, you cannot go back to unencrypted on that talk group. It locks it in. You lock that talk group. They were hoping to have an unencrypted channel at the beginning of the radio, or until they were closer and ready to go, and then have it also on the back side. You cannot. It does not give you an option of having a talk group encrypted and unencrypted at the same time. Once the talk group gets encrypted, there is no other bank to go two because you cannot put the two talk groups in; they conflict with the frequencies. They are going to have to train the departments that once you become encrypted, if you need to speak to another agency, you have to go to interops, ALCO Law 123, CoCo Law 123, EB Law 123. Channel 4 is ADP encrypted. That is not open. Not everyone has ADP. The new law 5 for all three will be AES encryption. "
"Executive Director McCarthy stated he met with ETS to start discussing encryption. Captain Miguel Ibarra who is going to work on encryption for the Sheriff’s Office because the process is big with all the divisions, including the jail. That opened it up to Oakland Housing Authority now that Oakland is coming on. You will have to get Piedmont, Alameda, Berkeley and all the others involved whether or not they are ready. What is happening is that you are creating the code plug as to what the agency wants to have encrypted and then they will load it into the radios as being encrypted. Once you encrypt a talk group, you cannot go back to unencrypted on that talk group. It locks it in. You lock that talk group. They were hoping to have an unencrypted channel at the beginning of the radio, or until they were closer and ready to go, and then have it also on the back side. You cannot. It does not give you an option of having a talk group encrypted and unencrypted at the same time. Once the talk group gets encrypted, there is no other bank to go two because you cannot put the two talk groups in; they conflict with the frequencies. They are going to have to train the departments that once you become encrypted, if you need to speak to another agency, you have to go to interops, ALCO Law 123, CoCo Law 123, EB Law 123. Channel 4 is ADP encrypted. That is not open. Not everyone has ADP. The new law 5 for all three will be AES encryption. "
Last edited:
- Joined
- Jul 1, 2016
- Messages
- 664
Next time, cite your sources.
Operations Committee Meetings | East Bay Regional Communications System Authority (EBRCA)
,East Bay Regional Communications System Authority
I thought I embedded it; whoops, thanks!Next time, cite your sources.
Operations Committee Meetings | East Bay Regional Communications System Authority (EBRCA)
,East Bay Regional Communications System Authoritywww.ebrcsa.org
- Joined
- Nov 16, 2004
- Messages
- 2,072
They clearly need someone with more knowledge advising them.
Every radio I've ever seen has the ability to have selectable encryption and/or one "channel" strapped encryption with another duplicated in the clear. And when the radios have been keyed they would be able to receive either mode on either "channel", while transmitting would be in the mode selected on the radio.
So in essence everyone would be able to operate on the unencrypted channel until all of the radios are keyed and then switch to the encrypted channel with both channels already loaded into the radio.
Many agencies that go through this process will create a clear zone(s) and put it towards the end of the code plug (perhaps with an "x" at the beginning of the channel alias) and duplicate the zone(s) in the front of the code plug with the encrypted channel(s). During the transition everyone operates on the "x" unencrypted zone(s) and when everyone is transitioned they switch to the other zone(s).
- Joined
- Jul 1, 2016
- Messages
- 664
What you have in that paragraph is an admin taking meeting minutes and trying to paraphrase a technical discussion. It is disjointed and lacks context and nuance.
Everyone here read that and knows most of it is not technically correct.
Looks like Fremont PD is in the process of adding encryption programing today. ALCO radio techs were using key loaders and updating portables this morning.
Similar threads
