Encryption coming to Minneapolis Police Dispatch

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The attached document is from the city of Minneapolis and covers part 2 of the radio replacements and upgrades. “ An unexpected cost associated with new portable radios for MPD was the purchase of encryption capabilities, as MPD plans to add some level of encrypted dispatch capabilities across all MPD radios.” The timeline of the radio upgrade runs through the end of 2023, so no definite timeline is listed or what exactly some level of encrypted dispatch means.
 

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Thought Minneapolis was already totally encrypted.
Minneapolis is one of the dispatch centers in Hennepin county currently not encrypted.
Bloomington - clear
Eden Prairie - Encrypted
Edina - clear
Hennepin Dispatch - Encrypted
Metro Transit - cleat
Minneapolis - Encryption Planned
Minneapolis St. Paul Airport - Encrypted
St. Louis Park - Encrypted
University of MN - Encryption planned
VA - Encrypted
 

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What amazes me is that BLM and other groups critical of police non transparency are not fighting this tooth and nail.

This has always surprised me too. Maybe there just isn't the knowledge of the issue among those groups.
 

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Well at least they didn't incorporate the "We are committed to transparency" into their statements.

That said, they used the words "capable" and "some level". There may be hope for main dispatch channels to be
 

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Re: BLM and other groups wanting LE transparency.

In Scott County, I heard the Shakopee Diversity Alliance was asked by a reporter to comment on the then upcoming radio encryption. I was told that the Alliance rep did not want to comment in order to keep the relationship with law enforcement OK.

In my opinion, that sounds like complacency, or fear.

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My stance has always been this: The police can encrypt all the talk groups they want within their departments.... but leave the main dispatch talkgroups OPEN so the public can monitor live crime in their area. If some major event happens, or there is a sensitive topic, simply switch your radio to a different, encrypted talk group or use your cell phone to call dispatch like they've been doing since cell phones were invented 40 years ago.

In the age of body cameras on every officer.... taking AWAY the public's ability to monitor crime seems like a major step backwards.

Have you ever watched those videos on YouTube of people being questioned by the police, and the person doesn't feel they need to answer the questions? The cops automatically assume the person is "trying to hide something". Well, in the case of police insisting on radio encryption, the public could/should automatically assume the police are trying to hide something. Don't get me wrong, I am pro police but you can't have it both ways!

Also, I've said it before and I will say it again.... just because the new Motorola replacement radios have the ABILITY to be encrypted does NOT mean that feature has to be enabled! Buying new radios does not automatically mean encryption must happen.

Edit: I just clicked the link in post number one of this thread. Did I read that right? They asked for 2 million bucks for radio replacement? Pretty ballsy for a department that was on the chopping block a few months ago. Here's a better idea.... Maybe use that 2 million to add more officers to actually fight the record crime levels and violent car jackings in that city. That would be a MUCh better use of funds than replacing radios that still work fine. Unbelievable.
 
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A few major areas elsewhere in the states have reverted their decision to secure. I won't say who as most don't bother bother monitor them and nobody has put streams up though the db shows E when it isn't anymore. Those who know leave it alone.

Those agencies did this due to interop issues. Mainly others Close by didn't have budget or want to budget in higher costing equipment. Rare but it happens.

I don't see this occurring in Minneapolis as most in that region work together and they are big on patching together in their respective psaps.

If you watch live on patrol they have discussed working with st Paul's sister city more in future. Their xts and xtl equipment lately have been all apx line with hardly any xts being seen now. They were tinkering with new mobiles scan list the one night making comment they were fancy displays compared to the old radios in fletchers Durango.

They mentioned monitoring a new channel but hesitated as one mentioned its a secure channel. In end they muted the stream and monitored that channel from st Paul and Minneapolis in a joint operation.

Considering the extense of events and past I see it as a inevitable deal there with the coffin nailed on it.

It didn't help fact many were videoing themselves in past events, to the no go zone area counter acting law enforcement operations using various means to do so including monitoring showing no worry of it plastering it to be known.

Its a dead horse. Sadly no point in beating it 🤣
 

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Reason why they have a TAC channel to encrypt when a current operation is ongoing. Otherwise, no reason to encrypt. The money they spend on these new radios could fund more cops on the road.
 

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I just heard Louisville Metro Police are going to encryption on their main channels beginning tomorrow. I remember sitting in on radio meetings back when I was working and hearing them being adamant how they were committed to leaving main channels open.
 

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In the California forum, there was a group of listeners who created a petition after filing for a formal release of information. It might be helpful to review. I have monitored this area and was quite impressed with the sizeable number of active listeners.
 

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I was informed by a fire fighter in carver county that a recent switch to APX radios is because of the upcoming encryption coming for law and fire. I'm sure law will do this but is the part about fire mistaken.
 

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I was informed by a fire fighter in carver county that a recent switch to APX radios is because of the upcoming encryption coming for law and fire. I'm sure law will do this but is the part about fire mistaken.
I could be mistaken (I usually am) but I believe Carver county (or at least part of it) is dispatched by Scott county.... And Scott county is already encrypted. If that's the case, then it doesn't surprise me that Carver wants to "join the encryption club".
 
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