Finding store frequencies (Walmart, Baby Monitors, Malls, Drive Thru, ect.)

[Voyager]

Cordless phones were specifically excluded from the ECPA as passed in 1986. The 1994 version removed the exclusion. Therefore, they are now included in the ECPA prohibitions.

I will also point out that analog Cellular was just as "readily accessible" for unblocked scanners, but that too was prohibited.

Case law? Doubt it exists.

 

[bill4long]

Cordless phones were specifically excluded from the ECPA as passed in 1986. The 1994 version removed the exclusion. Therefore, they are now included in the ECPA prohibitions. I will also point out that analog Cellular was just as "readily accessible" for unblocked scanners, but that too was prohibited. Case law? Doubt it exists.

I'm talking about baby scanners.

 

[Voyager]

So am I - specifically the ones that use the cordless phone frequencies. You cannot monitor one without monitoring both since both are analog CSQ. There is no way to block monitoring the cordless phone frequency and still monitor the same frequency.

 

[bill4long]

So am I - specifically the ones that use the cordless phone frequencies. You cannot monitor one without monitoring both since both are analog CSQ. There is no way to block monitoring the cordless phone frequency and still monitor the same frequency.

Cordless phones are not baby monitors.

Please cite evidence from the statute that makes a baby monitor equivalent with a cordless phone.

Please cite evidence from the statute where frequencies in the 49mhz band are a determining factor.

 

[toastycookies]

Actually, unless you have a very old baby monitor, it may be on the 49 MHz, 902 MHz or 2.4 GHz frequencies. The 49MHz group are the old analog wireless phones, the 2.4GHz are the new "DECT" phones. So the range and performance may be all over the place as well. Supposedly the DECT phones can be heard 1/2 mile away across open ground, although a house made of concrete block over steel frame, or a house with aluminum siding, will trap the signal ignores pretty completely.

DECT uses 1920 to 1930mhz here in the US.

The purpose of creating the standard was to stay away from interference on 2.4ghz and 900mhz ISM bands...

 

[Voyager]

Just re-read what you quoted, Bill. It's all there. Never said phones are baby monitors, or any statute of same. The frequencies of 49 MHz cordless phones are the determining factor (as I said before).

 

[toastycookies]

Just re-read what you quoted, Bill. It's all there. Never said phones are baby monitors, or any statute of same. The frequencies of 49 MHz cordless phones are the determining factor (as I said before).

This would make baby monitors and kids walkie talkies that can receive in the 49mhz band illegal to listen to then if what you are saying is correct.

Anyways, to the OP, here you go.

49MHz Experimental Radio Club

 

[bill4long]

Just re-read what you quoted, Bill. It's all there.

What I quoted contradicts your assertion.

Never said phones are baby monitors, or any statute of same. The frequencies of 49 MHz cordless phones are the determining factor (as I said before).

Please cite from the statute any statements you believe supports your interpretation that it is illegal to listen to an unencrypted baby monitor with a scanner.

 

[Voyager]

This would make baby monitors and kids walkie talkies that can receive in the 49mhz band illegal to listen to then if what you are saying is correct.

No, it would not. If it's your baby monitor, you can listen to it. I'm not aware of any two-way radios that use the frequencies in question. If it's your cellphone, you can monitor it. If it's your cordless phone, you can monitor it. If it's your encrypted transmissions, you can decrypt it. If any of these do not belong to you, you cannot monitor or decrypt them.

 

[Voyager]

Please cite from the statute any statements you believe supports your interpretation that it is illegal to listen to an unencrypted baby monitor with a scanner.

You're not understanding, and apparently it is beyond my ability to explain it in a way you can (or will) understand.

Simply put, the ECPA as amended in 1994 makes it illegal to monitor cordless phone frequencies unless it's your phone you are using.

The legal concept is that you have a reasonable expectation of privacy when using such devices which is why the law was passed in the first place.

I'm not saying I agree with the law, but it is the law that exists.

Reference: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-119

 

[toastycookies]

No, it would not. If it's your baby monitor, you can listen to it. I'm not aware of any two-way radios that use the frequencies in question.

It's my scanner, so why can't I listen to it?

Radio Shack TRC-512 (a two-way radio)

Channel Frequency
1 49.670
2 (A) 49.830
3 (B) 49.845
4 (E) 49.890
5 (C) 49.860
6 49.930
7 49.770
8 49.990
9 (D) 49.875
10 49.970

25chan cordless phones

Channel Base Handset
1 43.720 48.760
2 43.740 48.840
3 43.820 48.860
4 43.840 48.920
5 43.920 49.020
6 43.960 49.080
7 44.120 49.100
8 44.160 49.160
9 44.180 49.200
10 44.200 49.240
11 44.320 49.280
12 44.360 49.360
13 44.400 49.400
14 44.460 49.460
15 44.480 49.500
16 46.610 49.670
17 46.630 49.845
18 46.670 49.860
19 46.710 49.770
20 46.730 49.875
21 46.770 49.830
22 46.830 49.890
23 46.870 49.930
24 46.930 49.990
25 46.970 49.970

 

[krokus]

Simply put, the ECPA as amended in 1994 makes it illegal to monitor cordless phone frequencies unless it's your phone you are using.

The amendment to ECPA outlawed the act of listening to a wireless phone, regardless of the frequencies involved, not the monitoring of any specific frequencies. That was done so that the law did not need to be updated for new frequencies.

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[Voyager]

Would be an interesting legal battle, as you are in violation of the ECPA IF those are CSQ radios. And those were made after 1994?

Of course, there are also scanners that can receive Cellular even though that too is now prohibited.

 

[Voyager]

The amendment to ECPA outlawed the act of listening to a wireless phone, regardless of the frequencies involved, not the monitoring of any specific frequencies. That was done so that the law did not need to be updated for new frequencies.

Correct. So, we are back to the issue (I mentioned above) of how you can monitor a frequency in CSQ mode without monitoring another user of that frequency. As far as I know, that is not technically possible.

 

[toastycookies]

Correct. So, we are back to the issue (I mentioned above) of how you can monitor a frequency in CSQ mode without monitoring another user of that frequency. As far as I know, that is not technically possible.

I was under the assumption that it pertained to an attempt to or intentional interception.

Therefore accidental reception of said transmission would be OK under the law.

Once you realize what you are receiving is indeed a "private" phone communication then you switch frequencies.

No law broken.

Not quite sure where you see different in the ECPA. Please show me if you do.

 

[gewecke]

46/ 49 mhz cordless phones ARE protected by the ECPA 1994 ruling, The 5 channel walkie talkies on 49 mhz. Were NOT. Baby monitors on 49 mhz. are NOT protected because they SHARE the channels with those talkies. I still have one of the 5 ch talkies marketed by Tandy corporation. 73, n9zas

 

[toastycookies]

46/ 49 mhz cordless phones ARE protected by the ECPA 1994 ruling, The 5 channel walkie talkies on 49 mhz. Were NOT. Baby monitors on 49 mhz. are NOT protected because they SHARE the channels with those talkies. I still have one of the 5 ch talkies marketed by Tandy corporation. 73, n9zas

Exactly.

The "private" phone communications are protected.

The frequencies are not.

 

[SCPD]

Sounds like siginal stalker will be helpful. I was wondering if that feature would work. I'll also try programming in common frequencies first. I think this will make more sense when I can actually try it in my scanner.

Will my RS 800MHz antenna be able to pick up baby monitors also or do I need a telescopic antenna to get frequencies that low?

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Listening to baby monitors?. That is real creepy, how about scanning better things.

 

[gewecke]

Listening to baby monitors?. That is real creepy, how about scanning better things.

If you read above, AGAIN baby monitors can be used for other purposes, such as room monitors or remote scanner monitors. Babys are not part of the reason for this thread. :wink: 73, n9zas

 

[KK4JUG]

If you read above, AGAIN baby monitors can be used for other purposes, such as room monitors or remote scanner monitors. Babys are not part of the reason for this thread. :wink: 73, n9zas

I s'pose babies aren't involved but the monitors are still inside someone's home.