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there are acticles about the shooting from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
In January there was a article in the Rhinelander Daily News
The man that killed the officer claims he didn't understand the court proceedings.
http://www.rhinelanderdailynews.com/articles/2007/01/19/news/news03.txt
type in Crandon Police Officer
there are acticles about the shooting from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
In January there was a article in the Rhinelander Daily News
The man that killed the officer claims he didn't understand the court proceedings.
http://www.rhinelanderdailynews.com/articles/2007/01/19/news/news03.txt
Yep it worked
Yes I could hear Forest County but not to much encrypted. My scanner came in handy when the storm hit on tuesday and we lost power. I tuned into the weather channels and heard about the tornato that tuched down about 11 miles from my aunts house in Townsend and was headed to Lakewood. I saw the damage and it was incredible took all the trees from the south of 64 to the north of 64 for as far as the eye could see.
Yes I could hear Forest County but not to much encrypted. My scanner came in handy when the storm hit on tuesday and we lost power. I tuned into the weather channels and heard about the tornato that tuched down about 11 miles from my aunts house in Townsend and was headed to Lakewood. I saw the damage and it was incredible took all the trees from the south of 64 to the north of 64 for as far as the eye could see.
triryche
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Forest, Vilas, and Onieda have been encryption happy since the original DVP/DES digital encryption first became available to them in the mid 80's and early 90's. This is nothing new to that area. Before I had a PL capable scanner I used to drive my friends nuts with all the encryption. Forest made the P25 jump back around the "turn of the century" (been waiting to say that!! 
) and didn't really discover the encryption right away. I noticed a drastic increase in it over the past 3 years or so possibly due to scanners being released and publicly made note of their comms being able to be heard.
Re: 155.640... I have not heard that used by any law enforcement since 2004. That used to contain DES encrypted traffic as well.
On the other hand, Marinette has been doing more traffic in analog mode lately. Not sure of the reason for this but 155.535 has had more sheriff activity on it in the past few months than I have heard in quite some time. I noticed Niagara PD does not have P25 radios and some of the other smaller PD's may be in the same boat.
) and didn't really discover the encryption right away. I noticed a drastic increase in it over the past 3 years or so possibly due to scanners being released and publicly made note of their comms being able to be heard.Re: 155.640... I have not heard that used by any law enforcement since 2004. That used to contain DES encrypted traffic as well.
On the other hand, Marinette has been doing more traffic in analog mode lately. Not sure of the reason for this but 155.535 has had more sheriff activity on it in the past few months than I have heard in quite some time. I noticed Niagara PD does not have P25 radios and some of the other smaller PD's may be in the same boat.
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VERY interesting.
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Follow-up: According to my relative who lives near Pembine, the P25 equipment costs the county 3 times what analog equipment costs, breaks down 3 times as much and costs 3 times as much to repair. While I have no way to confirm these figures myself, I have been told by a Kenwood servicer in the past, that not only does the equipment cost much more to own and to service, but the servicing dealers have had to purchase P-25 service monitors at a rough cost averaging $16,000.00 to $21,000.00 EACH. They have to PAY for that equipment by raising their service rates and that also translates into higher expenses for EVERYONE - in getting equipment serviced, both P25 and analog.
Anyone who has used P25 equipment in certain types of terrain knows, from first hand experience, that signal dropouts, due to digital packet loss, is significantly more frequent than signal issues in analog mode. Just because a "new" technology is offered, does not necessarilly mean that it is better than what it is trying to replace. Some public safety radio system administrators are finding this out for themselves as more and more P25 equipment and signal processing issues crop up.
I can monitor Marinette county from my Rectory office 80 miles away from the primary central county tower. I hear mobiles in P25 mode getting no response from dispatch. They then go into analog mode and dispatch does answwer. Do we have a potential safety related situation here with the 'marvelous' new technology? Just something to think about.
Someone changed the direction of this thread from Forest County issues to Marinette County issues. But the same issues in both areas seem to indicate that both are experiencing difficulties with P25. We certainly hope that personnel safety is not being compromised.
Anyone who has used P25 equipment in certain types of terrain knows, from first hand experience, that signal dropouts, due to digital packet loss, is significantly more frequent than signal issues in analog mode. Just because a "new" technology is offered, does not necessarilly mean that it is better than what it is trying to replace. Some public safety radio system administrators are finding this out for themselves as more and more P25 equipment and signal processing issues crop up.
I can monitor Marinette county from my Rectory office 80 miles away from the primary central county tower. I hear mobiles in P25 mode getting no response from dispatch. They then go into analog mode and dispatch does answwer. Do we have a potential safety related situation here with the 'marvelous' new technology? Just something to think about.
Someone changed the direction of this thread from Forest County issues to Marinette County issues. But the same issues in both areas seem to indicate that both are experiencing difficulties with P25. We certainly hope that personnel safety is not being compromised.
RevGary said:
Really didn't know this thanks for the info.:roll:
Are you going to start bashing the P25 digitals communications like you bash 800mhz?
There a spotts with an analog system were the user can't access the repeater aswel. It all depends on how well the entire system is built.
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newald said:
I was referring to the use of that frequency by Forest County law enforcement
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RevGary said:
I am curious as to how you would be monitoring Marinette County's digital traffic? They are using encrypted OFB Advanced Securenet which is not decodable by any scanner on the market. They have never been using any standard P25 digital mode since the new simulcast system went online.
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I didn't say I was monitoring the audio - just the signal. When they go back into analog mode, the normal comment that is sometimes heard is " I tried 'code' and you didn't answer"...
Please use logic to figure out for yourself what the issues are. The analog traffic on 155.535 is in the majority once again because of the issues with their new radio equipment. (The majority of this info came from a relative in that county who is a county employee.)
Please use logic to figure out for yourself what the issues are. The analog traffic on 155.535 is in the majority once again because of the issues with their new radio equipment. (The majority of this info came from a relative in that county who is a county employee.)
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triryche
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"I can monitor Marinette county from my Rectory office 80 miles away from the primary central county tower. I hear mobiles in P25 mode getting no response from dispatch. They then go into analog mode and dispatch does answwer."
"I hear mobiles in P25 mode getting no response..."
"I hear mobiles in P25 mode getting no response..."
I was told from a radio tech when I was in the Air Force that they got the same if not BETTER signals with p25 than with analog. Usually when P25 goes out there would be too much static in an analog transmission to understand it.RevGary said:
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KG4WHM said:
Depends on the band I am told. VHF P25 can have better signal coverage however if one is in a "blind spot" there is no weak signal to try and pull out of static. With digital you have or you don't have signal. Double edged sword so to speak. With 800 MHz, it's characteristics don't allow very good penetration of buildings, obstacles, forests, etc. and P25 doesn't seem to enhance it any way and may actually be worse. I would like to see some low band P25 put into action!
:lol: :lol:triryche said:Depends on the band I am told. VHF P25 can have better signal coverage however if one is in a "blind spot" there is no weak signal to try and pull out of static. With digital you have or you don't have signal. Double edged sword so to speak...... and P25 doesn't seem to enhance it any way and may actually be worse. I would like to see some low band P25 put into action!
It was VHF band. He used a XST5000 accessed a repeated around 20 miles away and it was a wooded area like forest county. I don't think there are any low band P25 radios. I believe encryption, AES or DES-OFB, will limit the P25 signal.
The number one thing is how the system is built and what type of equipment the user uses. You can have a great digital system and hear every radio transmission. While the county next door may have an analog system and can only hear half of the radio traffic.
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I think that is the main reason some of these counties have coverage trouble.KG4WHM said:
Iron county was using digital way more than they are recently. I can't say why they are more analog now, but you can add them to the list of counties that were running primarily digital and now are more analog again.
soory about the username spell check changed it.deplete said:
Some of the counties that are using P25 with only encryption have realized that they don't need to use this mode as much.
How is forest counties coverage? I will being going up there in a couple of weekends.
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