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obxdivr

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I have the following scanners:
Pro-2067 (in house)
Pro-95 (portable)
Pro-2051

How do I program these to receive the new Franklin setup?

I have also been asked by the local Radio Shack Manager if I have figured it out. So if there are also generic setups please include.
 

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The 95 can't truntrack LTR.

On the 2067 and 2051 set the bank to LT and program the 7 frequencies listed in the database as they are listed. Ie LCN 01 should be in the channel number x01 position in the bank and LCN 04 in channel x04 position etc. Don't forget that the 2067 has a 0 (zero) number, so ignore it and use channel x01 for LCN 01.
 

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Looking at the manual on line, it doesn't appear that the 2067 will track vhf LTR. On page 38 it says:
If you try to enter an offset frequency
in the VHF and UHF-Hi
bands (137–174 and 806–960
MHz), the scanner will ignore the
entry.

Looking at the 2051 manual on line I can't say whether it will track vhf LTR or not. I would doubt it.

The 95 only tracks Motorola and EDACS anyway.

LTR transmissions "in the clear" can be monitored just by programming them as conventional channels. If I remember correctly, TG's are assigned "home channels"; they will always show up on one particular freq. Newport News Shipbuilding uses a 900 MHz LTR system; seemed that way when I was monitoring them while on their property.

I don't understand much about how LTR works, so take what 've said with a grain or 2 of salt. All I can say is from my observations.
 
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Page 38 in the 2067 manual refers to Motorola VHF trunking offset - not used with LTR. The 92/2067 can both trunk track all ranges of LTR.

The 2051 is Uniden manufactured for RS. It too can trunk track all ranges of LTR Standard
 
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LTR Systems

So is it common for an LTR system to skip channels in the set up as the Franklin System? I have a little knowledge on military systems and I know the radio system can shut down or monitor the failure of one of the repeater channels and recover from it using the remainder.
Andy
 

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Yes some commercial systems skip channels, but they may have the other channels licensed mixed in just have not been able to get the LCN number
 

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Scannerboy1968 said:
So is it common for an LTR system to skip channels in the set up as the Franklin System? I have a little knowledge on military systems and I know the radio system can shut down or monitor the failure of one of the repeater channels and recover from it using the remainder.
Andy

Many have LCN's without a freq skip but these three in our area also have skiped slots.
http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=RR&sid=1838
http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=RR&sid=4509
http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=RR&sid=512
 
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Andy,

Thank you for the very important work you are doing, I get to sit around and pick at this keyboard and scratch off items on the "honey do" list. Hmm, two parts of my body in that sentence would have the same meaning. lol

Be safe and enjoy your final 6 weeks before twilight.

BTW, I drove into downtown Franklin a couple of hours ago and the PD TG was very active and scrambled. I see Suffolk had quite a coal train crash (Norfolk Southern) early this morning. We drove nearby but couldn't get within view.
 
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Frank,
I appreciate the thanks! I am definately counting down the days until I get back home. Franklin used to run a Motorola encryption on occasion on thier TAC channel but encrtpted all the time is a real bummer to most people. I can only immagine what they are talking about!

I had read about the train wreck, which golf course was it by? The one off of Nansemond?
Don't let the Honey Do list get too big......mine is huge but I have a 30 day vacation coming soon!
Take Care, Andy
 

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Hey Andy enjoy the 30days, maybe ya can listen to gibberish in Franklin HA, planning on going out for a visit next week and see if I can nail down some more TG's

Mike
 
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Mike,
Oh I will definately will enjoy my 30 days......been working for it! Can't wait! Let us know what you find on the talk groups. I know before all we had was the PD Disp/PD TAC/ FD Disp/ FD TAC/and a public works but of course with a trunked system.....the sky is the limit.
Take care, Andy
 

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Andy,

I missed this info in your earlier post.
I had read about the train wreck, which golf course was it by? The one off of Nansemond?
Don't let the Honey Do list get too big......mine is huge but I have a 30 day vacation coming soon!
The wreck was at the in town golf course, also on the Nansemond river.

He he on the honey do list, I keep a **** can near my elbow for an occasional oops. :wink:
 
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Frank,
That's ok....thanks for the map on the location. That is a good idea on the circular file, I'll keep that in mind. Got word on the rotator flight today is suppose to be 4May.....I can't wait for Vacation!
Later, Andy
 

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City Frequencies

gcgrotz said:
What the bloody H___ do they need all of those channels for unless they are joining with the county? And voice inversion? Who sold them that system anyway? Don't they know about APCO and compatibility with other jurisdictions? Where was the state's input on that choice? SHEESH!!

I thought the same thing until I checked my database for vhf frequencies licensed to Franklin City. The trunked frequencies licensed for WPXT261 previously were licensed to the city and being used as stand alone operations for the various city entities, i.e., fire, police, ems, school buses, redevelopment and housing, etc. A decision was made to use these frequencies as an LTR operation and do away with the various standalone operations. A LTR operation probably is more cost effective and efficient than the previous various standalone operations.

By already being licensed for these frequencies there was no requirement for any additional coordination/approval from anyone except the FCC. The city modified its license to use the frequencies as a trunked operation vice various stand alone operations. If they had requested new additional vhf frequencies then that would have been a different matter involving other coordinations but that wasn't the situation. Slick move on the city's part.
 

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Mixed monitoring results

W4UVV said:
I thought the same thing until I checked my database for vhf frequencies licensed to Franklin City. The trunked frequencies licensed for WPXT261 previously were licensed to the city and being used as stand alone operations for the various city entities, i.e., fire, police, ems, school buses, redevelopment and housing, etc. A decision was made to use these frequencies as an LTR operation and do away with the various standalone operations. A LTR operation probably is more cost effective and efficient than the previous various standalone operations.

By already being licensed for these frequencies there was no requirement for any additional coordination/approval from anyone except the FCC. The city modified its license to use the frequencies as a trunked operation vice various stand alone operations. If they had requested new additional vhf frequencies then that would have been a different matter involving other coordinations but that wasn't the situation. Slick move on the city's part.

This afternoon I devoted some of my resources to monitoring Franklin City's LTR system. I received data polling transmissions on 4 of the repeater frequencies and none on 154.7250 mhz. I received cw ids with TG 02-04-253 and 0-13-253 displays and good voice comms with TG 0-04-010 on 155.5800 mhz. On 158.9475 mhz. I received a cw TG 01-16-253 id display and later a few brief good dispatcher/mobile comms for TGs 01-16-253 and 00-16-020, I used a 796D for LTR reception with R7000s/R7100s for other checks. There appear to be a number of talkgroups yet to be identified on the system. There wasn't much voice comm activity but it appears to be operational.
 

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Why?

W4UVV said:
I thought the same thing until I checked my database for vhf frequencies licensed to Franklin City. The trunked frequencies licensed for WPXT261 previously were licensed to the city and being used as stand alone operations for the various city entities, i.e., fire, police, ems, school buses, redevelopment and housing, etc. A decision was made to use these frequencies as an LTR operation and do away with the various standalone operations. A LTR operation probably is more cost effective and efficient than the previous various standalone operations.

By already being licensed for these frequencies there was no requirement for any additional coordination/approval from anyone except the FCC. The city modified its license to use the frequencies as a trunked operation vice various stand alone operations. If they had requested new additional vhf frequencies then that would have been a different matter involving other coordinations but that wasn't the situation. Slick move on the city's part.

28 May 07

If the city now is using their LTR system for various city user comms why am I hearing loud and clear 156.045 mhz., pl D-445, input 151.0700 mhz. as a standalone repeater operation that earlier today was an EMS type dispatch to Carrsville per a request from Isle of Wight Co. supposedly because Carrsville is closer to Franklin than Smithfield ? 156.045 mhz. is valid license and not part of the LTR group of frequencies.
 
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Hey guys, I'm new here and some of your lingo is like Klingon to me, but I can share some insight into Franklin. (I gave up trying to program trunking into my 2052 when I lived in Portsmouth)

156.045 is their clear channel simulcast to activate pagers. It is page tone and page info only. The vollies carrying pagers hear nothing else. There is another freq I found that carries dispatch to/from mobiles and portables, clear channel chit chat similar to conventional VHF, 158.945.

Franklin is NOT merging with Southampton County or anyone else.
I work EMS in SoCo. Our new radios were never reprogrammed for Franklin's new freqs. We were told they were incompatible. When I suggested we just get receive freqs because I was getting them on my scanner, they just stared at me like I had grown a third eye. But my coworker, who vollies in Franklin, told me he heard their Asst Chief on the radio one day telling dispatch that he was using the "backup" system because the new system was down, however the transmission came through the new pager. So they have a way of patching that stuff together if they want to.

The official policy is that if we need to talk to Franklin, our dispatcher calls them and they switch over to our freq or mutual aid. Them boys is tight with their new toys!

I understand PD went to scrambled transmissions because the criminal element was making good use of scanner intelligence. Just because we are small town, don't think we don't have big problems. If y'all come to town, stay off South Street. Really!
 
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