FYI new Yahoo group

[wannabescannist]

what restrictions does CARMA place on users? serious question, I'm curious.

 

[N9JIG]

what restrictions does CARMA place on users? serious question, I'm curious.

Ted already posted the CARMA List rules, check a few messages up for that.

Basically we don't allow intereference with Public Safety Agencies, copyright abuse, flame wars or off-topic posts.

Some files that were of no real use to scannists were removed from the Yahoo List Files Section a while back (before Yahoo increased the available file space) since they were taking up valuable space and we were running out. We even had to open a second Yahoo Group specifically to hold files until Yahoo increased available file space on our main group.

We have agreed with people from MABAS and other mutual aid organizations to not publish the actual content of MABAS box cards, they serve no real purpose having them on our sites. We also cooperated with a couple state agencies to edit information that was of no need for scannists that they considered sensitive.

Since our friend brought it up, let me tell you a little story: I received calls from a couple fire chiefs a couple years ago. Seems someone had emailed and called thier agencies claiming to represent CARMA, requesting all kinds of detailed information, specifically MABAS and local run cards, assignment maps and response codes. Since these Chief's knew me directly, knew about CARMA or were referred to me by others thru MABAS, they asked me about it. We investigated and found that it was our friend here and he was then advised not to solicit information like this at all, and specifically not in the name of CARMA. We removed the run cards that he had already posted to the CARMA group and smoothed things over with MABAS and the fire chiefs.

Some of the other files that our friend is upset about are files that are already easily available from public websites, like those zoning maps, and really don't need to be in a scanner club files section. Post a link in the Links section, let folks know where they can find them, that's great, but otherwise it is just taking up space and aren't getting updated when the original file does. At the time Yahoo had a limit of 20 MB and when that limit was reached we saw that 12 MB were suburban Zoning maps that we really didn't need. We deleted them and reclaimed more than half the available space.

We have had a problem with other lists and websites copying the various CARMA Profiles and databases. When the Profiles were on our Yahoo system (thus only available to CARMA members) we started seeing them pop up on other lists and websites. The problem is that we did a lot of work on these Profiles and databases and the ones on other sites are not updated as the original ones are. We then moved the Profiles to a public website and asked that they link to the original file insead so that the viewer is assured they would see the latest version.

We have even seen some of our Profiles with the CARMA name and logo stripped out and another title inserted show up on other websites and groups. Our entire Firetone database was copied over to another list and they have refused to remove it after being asked.

 

[jerk]

but its cool like i said have fun with ur group and eat ur greasy pizza and ur dive Restaurant

wile i update your profiles for you LOL

I don’t belong to either group… and don’t want to… because I live to far away. However, if I lived in Illinois, I would join CARMA as they have good information and try to be professional.

Now the CARMA site was helpful when I took a trip through Southern Illinois. The information was accurate and I used it for a brief sojourn across the bottom half of the State.

I also went and checked your Yahoo group. You don’t follow what you preach. Your messages are open only to members. I though you wanted to open it all up to everyone. Tghen complain you had with CARMA was they were not “open.” Most Yahoo groups you can at least read the messages.

CARMA is helpful, you seem to want to call people names, makes fun of them and generally just cause trouble for them and Public Safety officials. Not cool!

AL

 

[fmon]

Brian,

Do you recall about 19 months ago when you posted an open message on some Yahoo board asking for a Pro-96 Service Manual (SM)? Then do you recall that I sent you a PM advising you to respond and I would send you the SM in three zips? Then do you recall that I ask you not to post them publicly due to Copyright? Then do you recall that you failed to acknowledge that you received the three zips with my request not to list them publicly? You finally responded with this comment - "ok im sorry and i did reply back to you but my email and computer have been kinda messed up." Then do you recall a heated exchange in an open public thread you started in this Radio Reference board advising anyone needing a copy of the 96 SM to PM you?

Hence, you started a Yahoo group repository for Service Manuals.

That new Yahoo group started with about 9 members and after the heated exchange mentioned above, dropped to 3 members and held that number for the next 19 months with absolutely no activity for that time frame.

That 19 month old inactive SM repository is now renamed FCVPI99 · NWCD_Scanning and I suspect the Pro-96 SM is in the files section of your new group also, still in violation of Copyright standards.

This Yahoo Carma policy kind of covers it all.

LIST POLICIES:

1. Don't post anything in violation of the law, including copyrights.

Do you ever care about standards? This 70 year old (in 7 days) is still learning lessons regarding people.

 

[ScottL]

Gee, aren't those zoning maps technically copyrighted by the municipalities that posted them on their respective websites? (You probably didn't bother to read the copyright policies on those websites, did you?)

Wouldn't posting them in your Yahoo group without permission violate not only that copyright, but also Yahoo's Terms Of Service Agreement also? (I'm guessing you didn't read that either.)

Wouldn't "advertising" the fact that you're engaging in these possibly "unlawful" activities violate the policies of THIS webiste? (Better hope Mr. Blanton isn't reading this thread.)

Aren't those box cards technically "proprietary information" who's distribution and publication without permission violates MABAS policies? (I'd guess so.)

Still want to complain about CARMA policies? (Probably the least of your concerns right about now, huh?)

Looks like a pretty nice hole you've dug for yourself. (Uh Oh!)

This could get interesting.


Scott

 

[jdsmith4508]

Gone

I thought a 'niche' group about a system I listen to every night (NWCD) would be worthwhile, this is not what I signed up for.

Adios,

Jim

 

[KSJ745]

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/carmachicagosucks/

 

[motorolax]

Who cares

 

[FFPM571]

Grow up...

 

[RoninJoliet]

Carma did not "suck" yesterday, the meeting was the best and most informative on Starcom i ever attended...Maybe they should restrict there new Starcom and freqy info to those of us that appreciate it.....I came home with alot of new info and freqys about Starcom and the City of Chicago....

 

[KSJ745]

I think you should rename your group to this


groups.yahoo.com/group/FCVPI99/thisgrouphasnofuture/andyouareilliterate

 

[KSJ745]

Nice going asshat!!! You booted everybody from your little club. Enjoy yourself as I'm sure you do on a regular basis.

 

[FCVPI99]

"asshat" wow did u think up that one all by urself?

and for your info since the only people that were in the group were a few people like u i closed it down to trasnfer some files to a family memeber

LOL "asshat" BTW how long did yu have to think before you came up with that one ??

 

[KSJ745]

And on that note, this thread is done.

Just like your group!

 

[FCVPI99]

your just pissed cuz i kicked you out

 

[fmon]

What does this information mean from your site Brian?

Group Information

* Members: 2

And one of them is you.