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Hello all,

I'm working on getting my first HF station up and running. I still need to put up an antenna. But I'm kind of limited on space that I can utilize. So I'm looking at putting up a vertical. During my searching, I found out about GAP Vertical Antennas. They appeal to me because they require few or no radials.
But I'm wondering, how well do they perform?
I'm not looking to be a "big-gun" station and work all sorts of DX. I'm just looking to get started. So if they work decent for local contacts, I'll be happy.
However, if there is a better vertical, I'll be glad to explore it too.



Thanks,
Andrew, KD9TED
 

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Hello all,

I'm working on getting my first HF station up and running. I still need to put up an antenna. But I'm kind of limited on space that I can utilize. So I'm looking at putting up a vertical. During my searching, I found out about GAP Vertical Antennas. They appeal to me because they require few or no radials.
But I'm wondering, how well do they perform?
I'm not looking to be a "big-gun" station and work all sorts of DX. I'm just looking to get started. So if they work decent for local contacts, I'll be happy.
However, if there is a better vertical, I'll be glad to explore it too.



Thanks,
Andrew, KD9TED
I had a GAP Titan DX, did not work so good. An SGC autotuner on my roof with about 35ft of wire going up to 20ft then back down to the roof with some ground radials under it worked better on almost every band including local 10m vertical pol.

What bands are you interested in? For lower bands 160 through 20m and maybe 17m a 43ft vertical with lots of radials and an autotuner at the base can work very well. The radials can be short if you have lots of them or cover as much ground as you can with lengths of 4ft wide chicken wire. If you use a shorter vertical like about 22ft max it will work ok on 40 and good to great on higher bands through 10m. It will tune on 80 and 160 but performance will drop off drastically.
 

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I had a GAP Challenger that I set up in my suburban back yard and it was a terrific antenna for me. I paired it with a Drake TR7 and in most cases, if I could hear a station, I could work them, barefoot.
 

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First off, define "local contacts". I think I'm a little confused there.

In the mid 90's as a tech plus I used a Gap Titan DX vertical for 10-15-40 and 80 meter CW and honestly for me it worked great given the mobile home park I lived in at the time. After I upgraded to General I used it on all the bands it covered and again, I agree with @N9JCQ, if I could hear them I could work them. Radios at that time were a Drake TR-4, Yaesu FT901DM and eventually a Yaesu FT-890. Once I acquired the 890, it had a built in tuner and I ended up getting one of the longer flavors of a G5RV and managed to string it to and fro but honestly at that time it didn't work any better than the Titan did.

I left the hobby for a while after a divorce prompted sale of almost everything radio, and moved into an apartment. There I finally snuck up a wire antenna along (under) the metal soffiting and used an MFJ tuner, and was actually able to tune it and get out some even with all that metal around.

Not knowing what kind of radio you have or what other options you might have at your QTH it's hard to say how the Gap would work vs other things available. The best I ever got to experience was using a borrowed Icom radio, and an Icom AH-4 tuner which actually tunes at the wire (or whatever you attach to it). I've used the AH-4 both mobile and base and was amazed what a difference it made tuning at the wire itself instead of inside the shack. I think this was similar to what @prcguy is referencing on his SGC tuner. I actually did not use radials but rather a ground rod driven in the ground and it was totally amazed how well that actually worked. I almost cried when the fellow wanted his system to install mobile but it was fun while it lasted. I tried to re-create that with a Yaesu radio and FC-40 external tuner and while "it worked" I can definitely say the Icom system (at least the tuner) worked better by far.

Will a gap vertical work? Sure it will, and maybe it's an acceptable option for what you have available to you, but don't limit yourself to just that when there may be other options available. Good luck!
 

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I had a GAP Challenger that I set up in my suburban back yard and it was a terrific antenna for me. I paired it with a Drake TR7 and in most cases, if I could hear a station, I could work them, barefoot.
Did you ever use another type of antenna to compare with the GAP? Many times someone only has one antenna and although it seems to work well it really doesn't compared to a different known antenna.
 

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Did you ever use another type of antenna to compare with the GAP? Many times someone only has one antenna and although it seems to work well it really doesn't compared to a different known antenna.
Only the G5RV type I referenced in the post. it was a "less than perfect" install.

I never saw the need to buy another Gap at least to this point in time). While yes it worked, I think there are other better options out there even for a limited space install. I wish I would have had the Icom Gear when I had the Gap, I think, as you found, the external tuner (the at the wire tuner) would have worked way better than the Gap did. I know I cannot compare the install from several years ago to something from the 90s and the radios are certainly not the same but, I honestly think the external tuner is the way to go if a person if having problems with room, or other install issues.

I have no desire to stick up a 43 foot vertical and run radials, that being said, even barefoot, on 80, when I had that icom up to about an 90foot long wire just to a ground rod, if I could hear them I could work them at least on 80-40 and 20. Frankly I use a iMax 2k for 10-12-and 15 meters and don't really need more than that at this current time. I've had a couple of wires up here and that iMax "just works" on those bands for me.
 

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First off, define "local contacts". I think I'm a little confused there.
Local contacts fore me would be contacts in the 300-600 mile range. If I could go to just a few places outside of northeast Indiana, I think I would be happy.
In the mid 90's as a tech plus I used a Gap Titan DX vertical for 10-15-40 and 80 meter CW and honestly for me it worked great given the mobile home park I lived in at the time. After I upgraded to General I used it on all the bands it covered and again, I agree with @N9JCQ, if I could hear them I could work them. Radios at that time were a Drake TR-4, Yaesu FT901DM and eventually a Yaesu FT-890. Once I acquired the 890, it had a built in tuner and I ended up getting one of the longer flavors of a G5RV and managed to string it to and fro but honestly at that time it didn't work any better than the Titan did.
My current HF radio is a Yaesu FT-101E.
Will a gap vertical work? Sure it will, and maybe it's an acceptable option for what you have available to you, but don't limit yourself to just that when there may be other options available. Good luck!
I'm thinking about just sacrificing 60-80 meters for now and possibly just buying the 4010 2k Plus EFHW from MyAntennas. It's quite a bit shorter that the 8010 2k Plus I had originally purchased.
 

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Did you ever use another type of antenna to compare with the GAP? Many times someone only has one antenna and although it seems to work well it really doesn't compared to a different known antenna.
Yes, dipoles, fan antenna, a Cobra antenna, and finally an R7 vertical that someone loaned me. Great point though. Ask what else was compared.
 

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finally an R7 vertical
I have a friend that compared the R7 to a Gap Titan and he said there was no comparison, the Gap worked better on both transmit and receive. I was not there for the testing but I have no reason to think he wasn't correct.
 

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A belated response but here are my .02;
I've not had much experience with HF verticals but have used a few slopers and a 5btv trap vertical for a few rx sessions at a friends, these antennae being located in Omaha in the south side not too far from downtown, so industrial level noise was expected. That said, the 5btv and slopers did wonderfully on the HFBC bands and more or less noise free, I was impressed and always wanted a vertical for myself. Slopers are kinda a mix between vertical and horizontal polarisation, a true sloper should be around 45 degrees. The one I eventually got to use at home was much more shallow of a slope, going from a window on the second floor to the mailbox at the end of the drive 70ft away. The mailmen asked about the wire, they thought it was for detecting earthquakes or something lol. It did detect t storms from a few hundred miles away however, dust and snow made a racket in it too.
It worked great on all HF bands, especially with a tuner, wasn't a HAM back then so never tx with it.

As to why one wants polarity diversity, even for rx, is along this wise;
I had that sloper and a cliffdweller antenna to select from feeding the glorious Icom IC R-70. I wondered if there would be any diff in performance betwixt them as to polarity response. The cliffdweller can be placed in any convenient position, it was stashed atop the upper window sill. The cliffdweller was a piece of pvc pipe about 6 ft long wrapped with the 100ft rotator multiconductor control cable you could buy at any radio shack. Wrapped it (all 100 feet of cable meaning 300 ft of wire) around the pipe according to instructions and cut it here, splice it there, and a single wire lead to the feedpoint. I was certain I had fooched it in the construction so expected utter failure.
The stupid thing worked.

So you know, the sloper would be more or less vertically polarised, the dweller was horizontal.

In the heady days of the Icom IC-R70, the fabulous Infotec M600 data mode decoder was coexistent, no one had software decoders in those days save for the most elite of snobs and spooks, the rest of us had Infotecs - if we were lucky. With such a setup I shortly found an interesting fsk news feed in EE that came from Rabat Morocco in the high 19/22mhz range on a daily basis, along with myriad other data sigs, from vft to fsk to fax to tdm to piccolo to, well, you guys have no idea how many data modes have come and gone on HF. I oft compared the rx betwixt the sloper and dweller, during the portion of the propagation between fade in and fade out - there was little to no diff in reception pretty much till you got to the end of propagation, I think there were times when the dweller would rx the sig where the sloper heard no trace of it, and sometimes it was like that for an hour or so till fade out, amazingly.

So now back to more recent history, I have the GAP and a horizontal loop about 140ft in dia fed with coax, up around 25ft to compare with the GAP.
The GAP is some 60ft away from the shack with buried coax, the loop feed is some 40 ft long. Anyway what I find is you can normally hear just about every signal on both. That said, I find that while you can hear the guy a few hundred miles away on 40m he can't hear you on the GAP but he can on the loop. The GAP is squirting most of the rf at a much lower angle of radiation than the loop, the loop squirts the rf straight up at lower HF freqs and when the idunnosphere is cooperating the rf rains down all around the sending position for several hundred miles in a mode we like to call NVIS.

That said, there are surprising differences to that maxim of using the loop for closer-in NVIS work, everything in HF depends upon that most fickle of females, the idunnosphere. If idunnosphere says you need the GAP to talk to this guy, well, you're going to need the GAP to do it regardless if he's only a state away. That said, most of the time my dx contacts cannot hear me on the loop but can with the GAP, the more local contacts hear me better with the loop. As to the dx and overall rf efficacy of the GAP, I run a Xiegu G90 at the moment that produces a max of 20 watts on the HF bands, and I have talked around the world with this G90/GAP setup. The loop excells at vlf, however, the GAP doesn't hear WWVB, the loop does very well.

tldr; you are missing out of you don't have polarity diversity and a GAP is a decent HF antenna for DX.
 
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