Grandfathered in

[redneckcellphone]

After the switch to narrowband are the gmrs license holders that were grandfathered in still allowed to use their gmrs frequency?


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[KB7MIB]

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GMRS isn't subject to narrowbanding.

 

[n5ims]

Narrowbanding only required a change in emission, not a change in frequency so there should be no frequency change required for anyone that needed to change from wideband to narrowband, regardless of what frequency they were assigned. No if an agency wanted to make major changes to their license, they could move to other frequencies, but this would be difficult to get approved (there aren't that many available in most areas) and there was nothing in the rules that required it anyway.

 

[redneckcellphone]

I know gmrs isn't narrow band. So what your saying is that licensed holders that were grandfathered in still can hold said license


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[CommJunkie]

I know gmrs isn't narrow band. So what your saying is that licensed holders that were grandfathered in still can hold said license


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There's nothing to grandfather. The business users that were grandfathered into being allowed to use GMRS frequencies aren't required to narrowband either.

 

[rapidcharger]

That's actually a really good question.
It's not all part 90 licenses per se. It's only certain frequency ranges. It goes by the frequency, not the license.

 

[SteveC0625]

I know gmrs isn't narrow band. So what your saying is that licensed holders that were grandfathered in still can hold said license

What we're trying to tell you is that GMRS and the narrowband mandate are completely unrelated and there has been NO CHANGE to the GMRS rules. That means the grandfather rule has not changed.

 

[gewecke]

After the switch to narrowband are the gmrs license holders that were grandfathered in still allowed to use their gmrs frequency?


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Narrowband doesn't apply to GMRS, and grandfathering is only applicable to businesses for their current license term. After their license expires, they are not allowed to renew as a business only as a individual. Legal businesses on GMRS should be very few by now.

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n9zas

 

[redneckcellphone]

Thanks. Heard a business using gmrs so I was curious.


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[gewecke]

Thanks. Heard a business using gmrs so I was curious.


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Yep, got em here too. Rarely do they read the instructions/ rules clause in the package ... or know what it is they bought! :evil:

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n9zas

 

[redneckcellphone]

Gonna do some hunting tomorrow and see if I can find them. And then send a nice letter explaining. They weren't even on frs, it was gmrs


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[gewecke]

Gonna do some hunting tomorrow and see if I can find them. And then send a nice letter explaining. They weren't even on frs, it was gmrs


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I have had the airport refueling crew here using .625 for a few years now who doesn't respond to calls and plays dumb on the phone ... and they mess with high octane fuel!

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n9zas

 

[loumaag]

I don't want to drag this away from the OP's original question but since you mentioned this:

...grandfathering is only applicable to businesses for their current license term. After their license expires, they are not allowed to renew as a business only as a individual...

I am looking for that in the rules but I can't find it. I'm certainly no expert and in fact don't have a license myself, I'm just looking for some guidance in relation to an entity I am aware of that doesn't think this is the case.

It would appear that the rule I can find doesn't read that way:

§ 95.5 (c) A GMRS system licensed to a nonindividual before July 31, 1987, is eligible to renew that license and all subsequent licenses based upon it if:
(1) The non-individual is a partnership and each partner is 18 years of age or older; a corporation; an association; a state, territorial, or local government unit; or a legal entity;
(2) The non-individual is not a foreign government; a representative of a foreign government; or a federal government agency; and
(3) The licensee has not been granted a major modification to its GMRS system.

 

[DaveNF2G]

Lou is correct. Grandfathering has no sunset provision in the GMRS rules. Once licensed, always licensed (until Congress changes its mind).

 

[KB7MIB]

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Once licensed, always licensed, AS LONG AS they do not make ANY changes to what they are licensed for. So, no location change, no added stations, nothing. Otherwise, their license is voided and they have to either get every individual employee licensed...

 

[KB7MIB]

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or they have to get a proper business license of their own, or they have to purchase airtime on someone else's commercial radio system.

 

[gewecke]

Ok I may be mistaken, at one time I thought I read that once a GMRS license held by a corporation/ business expired, they could not renew as a business, only a individual. Sorry for my misunderstanding on this.
Sad that so many companies sidestep licensing altogether...:roll:

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n9zas

 

[kd2goe]

Ok I may be mistaken, at one time I thought I read that once a GMRS license held by a corporation/ business expired, they could not renew as a business, only a individual. Sorry for my misunderstanding on this.
Sad that so many companies sidestep licensing altogether...:roll:

73,
n9zas

when did they stop giving out GMRS license to corporation & business? and if this is the case what was the live span of a corporation & business license

 

[nd5y]

Ok I may be mistaken, at one time I thought I read that once a GMRS license held by a corporation/ business expired, they could not renew as a business, only a individual

That is correct. They can keep renewing it but if they let it expire they can't get another one.

 

[nd5y]

when did they stop giving out GMRS license to corporation & business? and if this is the case what was the live span of a corporation & business license

July 31, 1987. License term has always been 5 years.