RandomK
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fmon said:
Hmm... I'm starting to wonder if I have a hardware problem!
Tim
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Hmm... I'm starting to wonder if I have a hardware problem!
Tim
fmon
Silent Key Jan. 14, 2012
Could be, though haven't heard of this problem yet. Try MAN F2 F3 and step to a voice frequency for awhile.RandomK said:
RandomK
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fmon said:
Stepped Thru and only thing I get is the Diesel Engine on the Control Channel.
Tim
yaesumofo
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What amazes me is why GRE did not find their way to include a MICRO SD slot for memory expansion. While the memory system may be a bit more difficult to get one's head around than a 396's memory system, More available space would be welcome. Imagine how many objects can be programmes into a 1 gig sd card which costs $10.00.
The concept that GRE did not pay as much attention to the sturdy build quality needed by scanning geeks is also amazing. How much more would it cost to use a high quality glass filled polymer or high tech plastic?
Once again it boils down to $$.
GRE and uniden are not interested in serving customers needs. They are focused on making money. Too bad Companies like Yuperitu and AOR can't get it together to make a decent quality APCO 25 scanner.
Yaesumofo
The concept that GRE did not pay as much attention to the sturdy build quality needed by scanning geeks is also amazing. How much more would it cost to use a high quality glass filled polymer or high tech plastic?
Once again it boils down to $$.
GRE and uniden are not interested in serving customers needs. They are focused on making money. Too bad Companies like Yuperitu and AOR can't get it together to make a decent quality APCO 25 scanner.
Yaesumofo
I know most of PA is going MACOM Opensky but if you are hearing a dedicated control channel, that would not be it.
You can also try opening up hyperterm on the PC and use the CCDUMP feature on the scanner to see what kind of data you are getting. If you can read it, chances are, you should be able to hear the voice channels. (Did you enter all the channels of the system or just the CC's?)
You can also try opening up hyperterm on the PC and use the CCDUMP feature on the scanner to see what kind of data you are getting. If you can read it, chances are, you should be able to hear the voice channels. (Did you enter all the channels of the system or just the CC's?)
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kd2pm said:
I imported and uploaded to the radio one last time and now I'm getting voice. Compared the files from before and I can't find anything different. Guess 3rd time is it.
Thanks for the help!
Tim
yaesumofo said:
I think that's a matter of personal opinion and preference. When the Uniden first came out, *some* people couldn't figure it out and they thought it was the most complex thing around, etc. And look now, some say GREs method is more complex.... :roll:
yaesumofo said:
Although that would be nice, it's not as easy or cheap as it may appear. Are there any radios right now (amateur, receiver or else) that have it now? I'll like to check them out, just out of curiosity...
I agree with you about the complexity issue. What really turned me off about the BC 396T was the "push this while holding this down while turning that" taking two hands to do simple operations. The Uniden scanners of late get an F minus minus in book as far as ergonomics go. It's not very friendly while driving. This is why I don't take my 246T on the road anymore.
yaesumofo
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That is the point. GRE Passed up an opportunity to become a leader.
They could have easily implemented an SD memory interface and did no
As for other radios
The AOR 8200 has had the ability to expand it's memory for over 5 years. It is a non standard proprietary memory.
AOR has several accessories which fit into this same slot as the memory.
The 8600 has the ability to hold several of these "cards"
So the idea is not new. The point is that it is a really affordable both to implement as a manufacture and to fill the slot as an end user. GRE choose to not do this for some reason which is beyond me.
I would wager that UNIDEN will have just such a slot in their next generation top of the line radio.
This memory can be used for multiple purposes. One is to expand the channel memory another is to save a LOG and yet another is to record audio and save the audio files memory. Pretty darn useful if you ask me.
Maybe GRE will do something like this next time around.
Yaesumofo
They could have easily implemented an SD memory interface and did no
As for other radios
The AOR 8200 has had the ability to expand it's memory for over 5 years. It is a non standard proprietary memory.
AOR has several accessories which fit into this same slot as the memory.
The 8600 has the ability to hold several of these "cards"
So the idea is not new. The point is that it is a really affordable both to implement as a manufacture and to fill the slot as an end user. GRE choose to not do this for some reason which is beyond me.
I would wager that UNIDEN will have just such a slot in their next generation top of the line radio.
This memory can be used for multiple purposes. One is to expand the channel memory another is to save a LOG and yet another is to record audio and save the audio files memory. Pretty darn useful if you ask me.
Maybe GRE will do something like this next time around.
Yaesumofo
kikito said:
Kikito just doesn't get it, He lives in a HUGE state with about 650,000 people, where Yaesu and myself live in a COUNTY of 9 MILLION people. I am quite sure based on his comments that kikito has no problems entering his statewide system and only using 20 scan lists. The problem is that here there are literally hundreds to over a thousand systems/agencies/companies. And NO I do not want to monitor them all at once, You all seem to miss this point. What I want to do is to be able to bring up any of those systems or more importantly subgroups of those systems, as I please. In any configuration that I desire (ie: One portion of the Sheriffs dept, A City PD and another counties FD). The limited memory, no subgroups and vfolders makes this impossible without going through and locking systems or channels in and out, not good. The technology existed decades ago to give us the memory requirements we have needed. So far only Uniden has somewhat correctly figured out how to serve it to their customers.
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For the record the Los Angeles County sheriffs department has 16 dispatch channels split up by area, and an assigned tac for each. In the Uniden I create two systems one for East county and the other for West, each of the areas then gets its own group so that I can select just the portions/cities of the county I want to listen to. This would consume 18 of the 21 'scan lists', on the psr500 in order to get the same result and leaves out countless other municipal police and fire departments. Do you get it yet? We are past the point of linear lists.
Kikito just because it hasn't been done before doesn't mean jack s..t. They can design these things anyway they choose. An SD memory interface would not greatly increase the price, the digital camera manufacturers don't seem to have a problem including it on sub $150 cameras.
I can only hope next time GRE gets someone to test these outside the sticks, and perhaps even get some professional users opinion.
And thank you Mr Starr for pointing out to create the systems at once so they are at least in some sort order when you cycle through the objects.
System()
`---Zone()
`--- Channel/Talk Group()
For the record the Los Angeles County sheriffs department has 16 dispatch channels split up by area, and an assigned tac for each. In the Uniden I create two systems one for East county and the other for West, each of the areas then gets its own group so that I can select just the portions/cities of the county I want to listen to. This would consume 18 of the 21 'scan lists', on the psr500 in order to get the same result and leaves out countless other municipal police and fire departments. Do you get it yet? We are past the point of linear lists.
Kikito just because it hasn't been done before doesn't mean jack s..t. They can design these things anyway they choose. An SD memory interface would not greatly increase the price, the digital camera manufacturers don't seem to have a problem including it on sub $150 cameras.
I can only hope next time GRE gets someone to test these outside the sticks, and perhaps even get some professional users opinion.
And thank you Mr Starr for pointing out to create the systems at once so they are at least in some sort order when you cycle through the objects.
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swest90 said:
Yes, I DO "get" it.... :roll: I also get that you don't seem to have found a way to make it work for you or don't want to. Even if it means to consolidate and rethink your whole arrangement strategy. I guess I'll stop wasting my time trying to give suggestions on the matter....
I strongly encourage you to sell your PSR-500 if you have one or not buy it at all if you haven't done so. Problem solved. Wait for the next best thing....
I never even implied that it hasn't been done before. I wanted to bring up to light some radios that might have it or use the technology already for suggestions to GRE and discussion on the group. So watch your words and make sure YOU get what I'm saying next time before spouting off....
For the record, I wasn't a beta tester. All manufacturers seem to test their stuff in big cities and I'm pretty sure some of the big cities it was tested on were in Michigan and California to mention a couple. And now you're going to start implying with the "professional opinions" thing, as if everyone here is just a dumb scanner head that don't know anything about the subject. Many of us are "professionals", even if not directly related to Public Safety communications.
You can use Mr. Starr's own software to rearrange and reassign the Object IDs after they have been created.
yaesumofo said:
They're already the leader in many things just like Uniden is on others.
Well, it's probably doable that's for sure. But when many "logistical" impediments have been mentioned and discussed just for implementing direct USB connectivity to the radios instead of having to use converters/adapters like we do now, it seems that implementing a card slot should be the next step after that. As far as cost of implementation, I guess only the manufacturers know if it's feasible or not (for them, not us) from a cost to profit standpoint. Nowadays, companies are cutting down on everything they can, even when it's just a few cents per unit. In the big picture, it all adds up and it becomes pretty significant money wise in the long run.
I agree. I never doubted all the neat features we could have by using a card slot. On the same token, why stop there. Flash memory is significantly getting bigger in capacity and cheaper in price every 6 months. We already have 16GB flash memory iPods and I recently bought a 4GB thumb drive for under $30 bucks. I heard a rumor that late next year they might come out with a 32GB iPod or iPhone model. I even read an article on new Flash memory technology that could give us memory sticks with several hundreds of GBs and even a Terabyte was mentioned, all within 6 years or so if I remember correctly.
Why not have built-in flash memory in the scanners? You can transfer stuff easily and fast between scanner and computer or radio to radio cloning. Don't have to worry about losing the stinking little cards. As small as most of the configuration files are, even 4GB could be plenty for now. Heck, they can have the radio "mount" in the computer as an external drive and you can use your radio to backup other stuff, including having a copy of databases or even the PDF manuals for the radio. They can also have a simple text reader/file browser built-in the radio for browsing the files and contents easily like the printers we have at work which let's you plug in a thumb drive directly into them and see and print the files straight from it without a computer.
Possibilities are endless when it comes to what scanner manufacturers "could" include in their radios. Heck, I can think of half a dozen things both main manufacturers can include right now with firmware updates and haven't done so. I guess they need to save some stuff for the next model.
When it comes to memory and for now, the 21 v-folders on my PSR-500 are very adequate and a good start. Or it should be an improvement already since we have a little more than twice what we used to have and it's much more faster and versatile. It's unfortunate it's not going to "please" everybody but that's life and the same with all kinds of products out there.
Back to you.....
yaesumofo said:
With all the stuff they have added to their scanners after all of our sniveling in the forums, I would say they're doing fairly good and much better than ever serving us. They seem to be listening and giving us most of what we want within [their] reason. Of course they're in it to make money. Isn't everyone? That's the whole reason for being on our capitalist nation, God bless it!
Yupiteru and AOR don't seem to be serving much the scanner community in the past decade. They make great quality equipment that's for sure. But I'm referring to the big chunk of the hobby that concentrates on monitoring Public Safety and bands in the 25 to 900MHz range, where fast scanning, trunking and digital is a must.
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kikito said:
I think the point is, why should we have to consolidate when there is already a product that allows us not to? (396, 330, 15, 996).
Again, I think we can all agree that these are only opinions, but the scanlists did not work for me; so I took your advice and sold.
Uniden's DMA is MY preference.
Eng74
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Did I miss something, how do I have the 500 show the name of the scan lists that it is scanning. It runs the ch. tags but I would like to see the name of the scan lists like the 97 when there are no transmissions.
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Eng74 said:
See http://www.greamerica.com/support/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=11
The question is different from yours, but I think the answer is the same.
fmon
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Number 3 is scanlist on bottom line. BTW the tag is for TSYS. Adding a 4th for conventional with CT.Eng74 said:
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bonus1331 said:
Yes, I get "the point"! But what are people going to do right now? Scream until they turn red and purple about it? That's not going to change the current facts and status of the scanner. So trying to be constructive, we should figure out ways to program it as it is or sell your radio if it's that BIG of a deal!
I have many "peeves" about the Uniden too. Some of them are major, including the reception is not as good as the GREs. But what most people have to say about it is that it's purposely "made deaf" to avoid intermod/interference, etc. Well, guess what, I still get interference on it, just on different frequencies than the GRE. And I supposedly live "in the sticks".
I'm sure GRE got the point too about the scanlists. Maybe [or not] they might do something about it. In the meanwhile many of us will be enjoying a great scanner and many new and improved features that no other scanners on the market have at the moment or might never have.
Bluetooth! I want bluetooth!
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