Guilderland Fire Training Channels

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I monitor the Guilderland Fire Main channel on the Albany County P25 System every night and every Monday and Tuesday I will hear the stations going out of service for training and requesting a channel to use. The dispatcher will usually give them either 11 direct, 12 direct, or 13 direct. I am unsure what these channels are because the Guilderland Fire Departments only have a Fire main, fire ops 1, fire ops 2, and mayday channel and none of these are in use when they are in training. Does anybody know about these channels and what frequency they use?
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Give these a try.
991126b7DInterop 11Interoperability 11Interop
991226b8DInterop 12Interoperability 12Interop
991326b9DInterop 13Interoperability 13Interop
 

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I am not familiar with Guilderland/Albany County P25 but, on most trunked systems, Fire "Direct" indicates conventional, "off net" channels, not system TGs. I don't see any list of such channels for Albany but most counties have such associated conventional channels for Fireground use. Since they are simplex, you have to be in the immediate vicinity to hear them.
 

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I am not familiar with Guilderland/Albany County P25 but, on most trunked systems, Fire "Direct" indicates conventional, "off net" channels, not system TGs. I don't see any list of such channels for Albany but most counties have such associated conventional channels for Fireground use. Since they are simplex, you have to be in the immediate vicinity to hear them.
I understand. Do you have a list of frequencies that they may be using so I can scan them on training nights?
 

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I understand. Do you have a list of frequencies that they may be using so I can scan them on training nights?
As I said, I am not aware of any such list for Albany. It probably exists but has not been submitted to RRDB since they can only be heard over a very short distance from the Fireground.
 

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Good idea but they're all inactive.
Do you have the service type Interop enabled? Also, you could drive down to the training academy when they are there and set your SDS100 to Close Call mode. If if find them on a freq not listed in the db, track down that freg on FCC site, and it may reveal the others.
 
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Do you have the service type Interop enabled? Also, you could drive down to the training academy when they are there and set your SDS100 to Close Call mode. If if find them on a freq not listed in the db, track down that freg on FCC site, and it may reveal the others.
Yeah, everything’s enabled on my SDS100. I’m mainly using my SDR though. I am only scanning the county simulcast, maybe I should try giving the metro simulcast a shot. It’s unlikely though, Guilderland always uses county simulcast.
 

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Yeah, everything’s enabled on my SDS100. I’m mainly using my SDR though. I am only scanning the county simulcast, maybe I should try giving the metro simulcast a shot. It’s unlikely though, Guilderland always uses county simulcast.

Also, you could drive down to the training academy when they are there and set your SDS100 to Close Call mode. If if find them on a freq not listed in the db, track down that freg on FCC site, and it may reveal the others.
 

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Albany County has 2 conventional licenses that could be associated with off-net channels for the P25 system:
I have seen those licenses before. I’m not totally sure how they work, but I just programmed them as a site in my SDS100. Not receiving any control channel, but you probably shouldn’t receive any signal until someone is talking, right?
 

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I have seen those licenses before. I’m not totally sure how they work, but I just programmed them as a site in my SDS100. Not receiving any control channel, but you probably shouldn’t receive any signal until someone is talking, right?
They are conventional so there will be no control channel. Also, "Direct" use may be simplex and not through the repeaters listed on the license so both the base and mobile channels on the licenses should be monitored. The simplex portable use would only be heard in the immediate vicinity of the operation.
 

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So overall I guess one Monday night I’ll have to stop by their training site and see if I can hear anything. Thank you all for the suggestions and help!
 

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Do they use multiband radios such as APX8000s to suggest maybe they are using their VHF freqs in addition to the trunked system? or single band APX4000/6000s on 800? If its single band that'd be a indicator it will be an 800mhz freq used for direct. If they say "direct" it may mean its a simplex ground channel typical fire would for fireground or possibly the talkaround for a repeater when they say 'direct'. I'd begin searching licenses under the agency or system in use for maybe MO freqs on their own or FB2 and sometimes it maybe under the trunked license those can be mixed in with trunked freqs so I'd look for frequencies not in use as control freqs or trunked traffic voice freqs on a license
 
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or single band APX4000/6000s on 800? If its single band that'd be a indicator it will be an 800mhz freq used for direct.
Or 700 MHz, as 700 and 800 are treated as a single band. Don't forget about the 7FIRE channels, as well as the nine low power regional and nationwide itinerant channels.
 
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