Guilderland Fire Training Channels

[k2hz]

Do they use multiband radios such as APX8000s to suggest maybe they are using their VHF freqs in addition to the trunked system? or single band APX4000/6000s on 800? If its single band that'd be a indicator it will be an 800mhz freq used for direct. If they say "direct" it may mean its a simplex ground channel typical fire would for fireground or possibly the talkaround for a repeater when they say 'direct'. I'd begin searching licenses under the agency or system in use for maybe MO freqs on their own or FB2 and sometimes it maybe under the trunked license those can be mixed in with trunked freqs so I'd look for frequencies not in use as control freqs or trunked traffic voice freqs on a license

The licenses listed in my reply above are the only 700/800 conventional licenses found for Albany County so use of MO or FB2 frequencies on the trunked license, not in active trunking use, is indeed a possibility. So search scan of the 700/800 band or close call in the immediate vicinity of the activity may be the only way to find them.

 

[K9smb]

Direct 1. 7FIRE11D. 769.0375
Direct 2. 7FIRE12D. 769.0500
Direct 3. 7FIRE13D. 775.0375
All are P25. NAC 293
Enjoy 😊

 

[jgorman21]

Very interesting. Has anyone around the Capital District heard any fireground or training comms on any of these frequencies?

 

[GTR8000]

Direct 1. 7FIRE11D. 769.0375
Direct 2. 7FIRE12D. 769.0500
Direct 3. 7FIRE13D. 775.0375
All are P25. NAC 293
Enjoy 😊

For what it's worth, those are non-standard frequency allocations, and seem to be based on the old 7TACxxD/7FIRExxD/7MEDxxD/7LAWxxD regional designators (not nationwide/NIFOG) which go back quite a few years and have since changed.

Years ago the various Regional Planning Committees (RPC's) for 700/800 MHz came up with their own channels using the low power regional allocation (9 frequencies when broken up into 12.5 kHz channels), and they were designated 7TAC11-16D, 7FIRE11-14D, 7MED11-14D, 7LAW11-14D.

The problem is that there were 18 channels designated, so they were using the input frequencies for some of them (799-805 MHz), but what they apparently didn't realize was that most (all?) subscribers do not allow for receiving in that block. An APX, for example, can transmit all day on 799-805 frequencies, but will not allow you to program them as receive frequencies, rendering that block of frequencies absolutely useless for simplex operation.

Anyway, these designations are still out there, however it's not always clear what frequencies they correspond to. Per the original allocations, 7FIRE11D would've been 769.03125, 7FIRE12D would've been 769.04375, 7FIRE13D would've been 799.03125.

 

[GTR8000]

These should be the most recent allocations for the 9 regional low power frequencies in Regions 8 and 30 (and likely 55 and 28 as well)

That's not to say that some agencies aren't doing weird/unapproved stuff with 700 MHz, but these are the officially adopted allocations.

7TAC11D	769.00625
7TAC12D	769.01875
7FIRE11D	769.03125
7FIRE12D	769.04375
7MED11D	774.93125
7MED12D	774.94375
7LAW11D	774.95625
7LAW12D	774.96875
7TAC15D	774.98125

 

[jgorman21]

These should be the most recent allocations for the 9 regional low power frequencies in Regions 8 and 30 (and likely 55 and 28 as well)

That's not to say that some agencies aren't doing weird/unapproved stuff with 700 MHz, but these are the officially adopted allocations.

7TAC11D	769.00625
7TAC12D	769.01875
7FIRE11D	769.03125
7FIRE12D	769.04375
7MED11D	774.93125
7MED12D	774.94375
7LAW11D	774.95625
7LAW12D	774.96875
7TAC15D	774.98125

Great info! Thanks GTR!

 

[jeepsandradios]

These should be the most recent allocations for the 9 regional low power frequencies in Regions 8 and 30 (and likely 55 and 28 as well)

That's not to say that some agencies aren't doing weird/unapproved stuff with 700 MHz, but these are the officially adopted allocations.

7TAC11D	769.00625
7TAC12D	769.01875
7FIRE11D	769.03125
7FIRE12D	769.04375
7MED11D	774.93125
7MED12D	774.94375
7LAW11D	774.95625
7LAW12D	774.96875
7TAC15D	774.98125

I would trust this list more than the other list....Not sure how the other list was assembled but doubt it was via codeplug...

 

[K9smb]

The freqs I provided were read from code plug of a Guilderland fire portable.
Thank you.

 

[jgorman21]

I was wondering if the Op had a chance to try these out!

 

[dom6vrr]

Alright I'm going to open up this thread again with 1 or 2 questions that I probably should've asked earlier.

1. So I see K9smb provided the Guilderland Fire codeplug with the 11D, 12D, 13D frequencies. Now I know these are P25 because of the NAC, but I was wondering how to program these into my SDS100. I'm not sure if the frequencies are P25 Conventional or P25 One-Frequency. The only options for P25 in the SDS100 are P25 Trunk, P25 X2-TDMA, and P25 One Frequency. Which one for the codeplug frequencies?

2. I know earlier in the thread we talked about needing to be line of sight or close to the training site. With the codeplug frequencies provided, does that still apply? Is it simplex or repeated? Would I be able to hear it from my home which is like 4 miles from the training site?

Thanks!

 

[RaleighGuy]

Alright I'm going to open up this thread again with 1 or 2 questions that I probably should've asked earlier.

1. So I see K9smb provided the Guilderland Fire codeplug with the 11D, 12D, 13D frequencies. Now I know these are P25 because of the NAC, but I was wondering how to program these into my SDS100. I'm not sure if the frequencies are P25 Conventional or P25 One-Frequency. The only options for P25 in the SDS100 are P25 Trunk, P25 X2-TDMA, and P25 One Frequency. Which one for the codeplug frequencies?

2. I know earlier in the thread we talked about needing to be line of sight or close to the training site. With the codeplug frequencies provided, does that still apply? Is it simplex or repeated? Would I be able to hear it from my home which is like 4 miles from the training site?

Thanks!

1. P25 conventional not trunked.
2. No they are simplex channels/frequencies anything more than a mile away is iffy at best, 4 miles away would be highly unlikely.

 

[dom6vrr]

1. P25 conventional not trunked.
2. No they are simplex channels/frequencies anything more than a mile away is iffy at best, 4 miles away would be highly unlikely.

I see. Thank you!

 

[dom6vrr]

Can confirm 7FIRE11D, 12D, 13D. Standard federal frequencies, not whatever that other guy posted.

Just wondering how you are confirming this information?

 

[kc2kvy]

Just wondering how you are confirming this information?

I just am

 

[dom6vrr]

I just am

Then we’re unable to take any of your information, including the information from the other post you commented on, without validity.

 

[kc2kvy]

Then we’re unable to take any of your information, including the information from the other post you commented on, without validity.

Cool! I'll delete them!

 

[dom6vrr]

Cool! I'll delete them!

That’s up to you. You obviously have some helpful information about Guilderland that you’d like to share, it’s a shame.

 

[kc2kvy]

There are many reasons why someone wouldn't be able to provide specifics or details. I was merely confirming things others had already stated, and if that isn't welcome I apologize.

 

[dom6vrr]

There are many reasons why someone wouldn't be able to provide specifics or details. I was merely confirming things others had already stated, and if that isn't welcome I apologize.

The person above who provided a Guilderland codeplug would seem to have the most valid information due to it being from one of the radios. You are saying that the codeplug info is incorrect (which is unlikely) and that you can “confirm” that the national frequencies are used. You’re making a strong statement with no proof. If you want to keep the conversation going you can DM me, let’s leave this thread from being flooded.