Ham radio and newer generations

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wrath

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No matter what brings a person to the service , it's really up to us to nuture any intrest they have , and to invigorate there intrest in what they can do now and to show them the sky is the limit to what they potentially can do, the education and training of new amateurs is our hands , if we fail to Elmer them and they remain only intrested because of a tie in whith another hobby, that's on us , not the new guys , I don't think any of us came in with the knowledge and experience already in place to take full advantage of the service, these disposable radios have reduced the financial barrier to the service and fostered a sense of "quick and cheap" amongst new hams however opening there mind to electronics and radio is squarely on our shoulders, many people become enough book smart to pass the exam which really is a non issue because time has away with filtering out the people that don't participate or explore the vast expanse of what radio is , and we that are already here need to be good tour guides in getting people's feet wet with the many varieties of things that make up the service, show the new guys what fun a radio is to build rather than buy from Amazon, and show them that a soldering iron is a potent tool for the future , we have gotten alot of new intrest because of off roading, and boating, preppers and digital modes but retaining these people and cultivating an intrest in the service itself needs by done by us and for us to continue growing, somebody who comes in today or tommorow could in 20 years be the ham that creates something that's ground breaking and draws more people to the service.

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The ones I have met are all good operators who follow the rules, and while this is a good reason to obtain a license, they are off roaders, not true amateur radio hobbyists. Apart from this group, new licenses are few and far between around here.

Interesting. Isn't there a way to get these "off roaders" more interested in the hobby?

Ned, ask some of them if they do camping trips as part of their off-roading. If they're out of cell phone range, show them about NVIS HF so that they can touch base back to their families at home to tell them "in camp and all's well" when they're out of LOS range. Then help some of them study up for their General licenses. I can see at least a few of these guys upgrading.

Anyway, I think it's a real service to get these people up to Tech and on 2m. Not everybody's got to take the hobby all the way, just having a few hundred more good Tech hams out there is a big step in the right direction.

And yes, Jimbiram, that LandOps off-roading looks like a blast!
 

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If they're out of cell phone range, show them about NVIS HF so that they can touch base back to their families at home to tell them "in camp and all's well" when they're out of LOS range.
How is that supposed to work unless their family members are general (or higher) class hams?
 

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We need more young people like these two in ham radio. These two are smarter and better operators than a lot of adult hams I know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBvoWTZ-u4g

I have worked Hope (KM4PIF) a couple of times Chief, amazing kid...I got to interact with her Dad on FB and found out she got her ticket at 8 years old and General and Extra at 9 years old, I believe she is currently 10 now.....Unbelievable if you ask me and she can work a pile-up with the best of them.

If you haven't heard the young lady operate, you are truly missing out on being amazed. :cool:
 

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North Texas Kids Net and North Texas YL Net

There is a new kids net around Cleburne Tx
The North Texas Kids Net that is starting up
South of DFW on 145.490 - PL tone 88.5 (machine call kb5ybi ) on
Sunday Eve tune in a little before 7pm
and chat ask any questions you may have. .This net also accepts third party traffic for kids that do not have a Lic
This helps build interst any age is welcome and after the kids ck in
Then the adults ck in. After this net then the Local
Trainning Net Starts so stop by and ck in. The folks are great
and like to promote ham radio. The repeater covers a large area I have heard ck ins from
Waco , Whitney, Cleburne , Dallas , Fort Worth And more.
For the YL's. ( Ladies) in the Area there is Also a YL
Net run by KG5BHY
YL North Texas Weekly Net ) on Monday nights at 8pm. *If you're closer to Dallas, try the Cedar Hill repeater*on 442.325 (127.3). *For Fort Worth and areas west, try 442.224 (110.9)
I do not get a chance to ck in often but these folks -
Will be glad to have you ck in .
Anyone with more info
Jump in and share .
These folks work hard .Thanks For All You All Do .
 
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PrimeNumber

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How is that supposed to work unless their family members are general (or higher) class hams?

Oh, this one's easy, several ways. Prearrange with another ham (not in the 4x4 club) to pass a check-in message via phone to the family. Or have somebody in the 4x4 club license up and do the same. Once the message has been passed back to where there is phone service, the rest is trivial.

In an emergency, pretty much any ham would be glad to pass a message. Only down side is that a phone number would have to be read out over the air, but the risk there is minimal. Can you think of a single ham you know who wouldn't be glad to help in this way?

Or just leave the home SW receiver (every home should have one, right?) pre-set to a frequency where you'll be working anyway. "Honey, at 8pm flip on this radio – press the red button right there. You'll either hear me talking to other people and having a good time, or calling for help. Either way, you'll know."
 

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How is that supposed to work unless their family members are general (or higher) class hams?
The off-road hams could use HF/Winmor or 2m/packet to connect to a Winlink node and send an email to anybody who has an email address.
 

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I've had my ticket for a while August '11 ( I was 17) and haven't been on much. Most of the LIDs have made this hard to enjoy, although I am very excited for C4FM and DMR. I think the main problem today is younger people will only go in with their friends for something like this. That way they have people to learn together with and talk to once they get their ticket.

In my experience, I was on a lot of repeaters but gradually got ran off for asking questions about RFI.

I.E. We have a repeater that shared a site with one of the high power FM broadcast stations in our area. You could hear subtle music bleeding through into the 2M repeater. I asked if the repeater owner knew this was happening, big mistake. I got chewed by another ham saying, "That's how it is and there isn't any fixing it so stop complaining."

Just asking a question.
 

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I've had my ticket for a while August '11 ( I was 17) and haven't been on much. Most of the LIDs have made this hard to enjoy, although I am very excited for C4FM and DMR. I think the main problem today is younger people will only go in with their friends for something like this. That way they have people to learn together with and talk to once they get their ticket.

In my experience, I was on a lot of repeaters but gradually got ran off for asking questions about RFI.

I.E. We have a repeater that shared a site with one of the high power FM broadcast stations in our area. You could hear subtle music bleeding through into the 2M repeater. I asked if the repeater owner knew this was happening, big mistake. I got chewed by another ham saying, "That's how it is and there isn't any fixing it so stop complaining."

Just asking a question.
There probably was a way, but they either didn't know what it was, or didn't want to spend the money to fix it. I know when I first got.my license, the local repeater had a similar issue which eventually went away. Our repeater is in the same building as the county sheriff's office and we would occasionally get bleedover from their VHF system because their repeater was also on a 600 kHz split. When they went to 700 MHz a few years back, it went away.

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FireBall517

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It was fixed. It took a couple of months. I'm finally getting back into HAM radio after I got myself a VV-898 for $50, however the repeaters stay fairly dead or QRM'd.
 

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I've had my ticket for a while August '11 ( I was 17) and haven't been on much. Most of the LIDs have made this hard to enjoy, although I am very excited for C4FM and DMR. I think the main problem today is younger people will only go in with their friends for something like this. That way they have people to learn together with and talk to once they get their ticket.

In my experience, I was on a lot of repeaters but gradually got ran off for asking questions about RFI.

I.E. We have a repeater that shared a site with one of the high power FM broadcast stations in our area. You could hear subtle music bleeding through into the 2M repeater. I asked if the repeater owner knew this was happening, big mistake. I got chewed by another ham saying, "That's how it is and there isn't any fixing it so stop complaining."

Just asking a question.
I've owned repeaters for over 30 years, so my answer is from the perspective of a repeater owner. There are many kinds of repeaters. A crafty ham can make one out of materials fished out of dumpsters, but that's getting very difficult considering narrowbanding deadlined most of the usable radios, and crystal manufacturers have dwindled down to one (International Crystal). Off-the-shelf and commercial/public safety surplus repeaters can cost in 4 or 5 digits. That comes out of the owner's pocket. You can use a $150 ham grade antenna, and the repeater will work great for a couple of months, but coverage will eventually deteriorate. A "good" antenna costs between $700 - $1,500. You can use LMR400, but that will be problematic for a number of reasons. "Good" cable now goes from $2.50 - $8/foot depending on the characteristics needed. Sadly, many hams will spend more money on a talking controller than they would on any other part of the repeater.

The important thing to keep in mind are these (and I have to be brutally honest):
1) For an individually-owned repeater, you are the owner's GUEST. If you use the repeater, and he or she allows you to, that's great. That's probably why he or she put the repeater up. But someone out-of-pocketed for the repeater, as good or as crappy as it may be. When someone tells me something about my repeater, I already know it, I might get to it if I have time, or I might tell them, "It is what it is..." and invite them to go elsewhere, especially if they are not prepared to help solve whatever the issue is, by either offering up money, materials, or expertise. I don't like being that way, but I also won't be told what to do if it's all my money on the table. That kind of a repeater is run as a benevolent autocracy.

2) For a club-owned repeater, know that "the guy who takes care of the repeater" is usually elected into the position and may not necessarily be the most competent to take care of it. For example, a local club bought a Kenwood commercial repeater that went on 2 meters. It "needed" a talking controller because of scheduling functions, so the club bought one. No problem so far. When the controller was wired into the Kenwood repeater, you can key the repeater in carrier squelch and the beeps and boops of the controller come through, but the audio is muted unless you have the right CTCSS. It was an absolute monkey job of interfacing. The club has a guy who's worked in land mobile radio for 36 years, and has worked on some of these Kenwood repeaters for various fire and police departments, but he's not the guy who was appointed to fix the repeater or a member of that guy's posse, hence the repeater is someone's science project because of club politics. In my opinion, that kind of repeater is run like a congress of baboons.

I don't think I know you personally, but considering your intent to want to learn, I might actually take someone like you up on their offer to help work on the repeater. RF stuff is a dying specialty, thanks to many agencies and businesses posturing to leave land mobile radio and go to cellular-based systems. Many of us in radio come in two flavors: gray (hair... or bald) and dead. I and others would value the opportunity to pass along the body of knowledge. But in my warped world view, that's a sensei - student relationship. That's how I learned about working on repeaters when I was 15 - I got appointed to my old-school club's "technical committee" (the entire leadership of that club have passed on by now) and built VHF Engineering and Hamtronics strips for the club. Most of the repeaters that club used were hand-assembled from parts.

I used to talk to another kid who was around my age back in the late 70s. The two of us were separated by a river, but we were both riding to riding to different high schools on a bus in the mornings and talking to each other on brick-sized 2 meter HTs. The irony is that four decades later, we still get together with our families and are still involved in repeaters. He's actually very big into DMR (including its ham radio politics). I'm not so much, but I have some stuff to mess with it.
 

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It was fixed. It took a couple of months. I'm finally getting back into HAM radio after I got myself a VV-898 for $50, however the repeaters stay fairly dead or QRM'd.
Then why not try Echolink? You can talk to hams all over the world with just your computer, smartphone or tablet! If you want to liisten in on HF, try: websdr.org ! :)
 

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Then why not try Echolink? You can talk to hams all over the world with just your computer, smartphone or tablet! If you want to liisten in on HF, try: websdr.org ! :)
Thats an good idea (echolink) you can even put together an node (hotspot) with just an radio and a interface and put echolink in sysop mode and you have a little nice set up and are able to talk around the world.
 

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I've had my ticket for a while August '11 ( I was 17) and haven't been on much. Most of the LIDs have made this hard to enjoy, although I am very excited for C4FM and DMR. I think the main problem today is younger people will only go in with their friends for something like this. That way they have people to learn together with and talk to once they get their ticket.

In my experience, I was on a lot of repeaters but gradually got ran off for asking questions about RFI.

I.E. We have a repeater that shared a site with one of the high power FM broadcast stations in our area. You could hear subtle music bleeding through into the 2M repeater. I asked if the repeater owner knew this was happening, big mistake. I got chewed by another ham saying, "That's how it is and there isn't any fixing it so stop complaining."

Just asking a question.

That was extremely rude for that person to run you off. plus his answer is wrong. there are ways to remove the FM station audio from the repeater. My guess is that the repeater owner either has no clue or lacks the expertise to walk through the problem and make the needed changes to the repeater.

It will take some time to get the strong signal audio out of the ham repeater. Have been there and fought the problem. You try the easy things first. then start digging into the repeater adding components here and there till the problem is gone. It may even take use of shielded cable for any connections outside the repeater cabinet.

I would also look at the grounding in the building to see if it is a low impedance copper strap or just a simple copper wire. Grounding can be a big item in trying to resolve this problem.

Good luck on the efforts you are putting into ham radio. Don't let one or two people push you away from the hobby. There are many more that will bend over backwards to help you. It just may take finding a friendly repeater to talk to these people on. There are a number of repeater data sites that have listings of ham repeaters that you can pick the states on and then sort it by city location.
 

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I would absolutely love to go into a tower site. (I'm in the Eastern Tennessee area.) I would be over excited to see the inner working of these sites as opposed to a building surrounded by a fence and the tower.

I should note, this was not the repeater owner that said this but just a user on a private repeater system. This particular user has always been this way and continues to scatter people off.

Echolink was fun and that was the first communication tool I had until I got an HT. I would like to set up a link or interface. Echolink just got boring for me in the sense of it being no radio involved. Just a spacebar PTT.

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