Hamilton C. System Change?

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Interesting reading from the Hamilton County Commissioners Meeting about radio communications in the County. One line mentions Hamilton County on the Indianapolis "Mecca" System. I don't know anything or any inside information...just posting because it is interesting.

Altman reported she and Dan Stevens attended a meeting with AMK to discuss equipment for the communications system. We had requested that Harris provide a proposal to do several things for us:
1. To bring our communication system up to a P25 Platform. That elevates the equipment and software that run communications, including all the towers, radios, all internal dispatch systems, at the same platform so whatever piece of equipment you use, whether Motorola or Harris they are all interoperable.
2. Finding out why we have dead areas within the county, specifically in southwest Clay Township and areas in Fishers. We are currently on an EDAC System, which means is the communication and software all go to a central point. If we would lose one tower it is not redundant, not self-healing.
AMK has proposed to come back to that platform and matches all the investments in the 911 Dispatch Center and we will get rid of the restrictor where everything comes into dispatch, we try to dispatch out and it goes through a piece of equipment to make it work with the EDAC System and that has been problematic with the combination of dispatch. If we can get this in place our system would be much more seamless, it would be reliable and redundant. They have proposed moving one tower; currently we work on four (4) towers – one in Sheridan, one at the Sheriff’s office, one in Carmel and one in Fishers. The Fishers tower would be relocated and also a new tower would go into Fishers which would be an extra tower. The Carmel tower needs to be kept but they would add another tower in southern Clay Township. We would also add another tower in Westfield, so it would be a seven (7) tower system, all redundant (fiber ring would be self-healing). The other valuable part of the proposal is that a second server would be added in case of a failure with the first server. It would be seamless and no loss of time. As an added redundancy we would maintain the current EDAC system. The other intriguing part of the proposal is a secure application that is proprietary that anyone that is authorized could download it to their cell phone and then their cell phone would communicate within our radio system, which they think is the move to the future. If we held the license they would agree that we could re-license it as a possible revenue source. 6
The improved coverage is amazing and it is guaranteed at 95%. Indoor coverage at the 14dB is almost the same; the Cadillac of all standards is 20 dB indoor; indoors is the hardest to penetrate, which is the highest level we can get hitting almost all of the population centers. With this program we can add a repeater and every battalion chief could install that in their vehicle, they arrive on scene and it will increase the indoor reception substantially. We can cover the entire county but to get to that platform we need to be P25. We will also need an ISS Card which allows us to communicate with the systems around us seamlessly.
Altman proposed a countywide bond issue with the support of all of the entities for the towers and all the equipment that will be installed on the towers. That will be a longer term bond issue at the county level. In terms of repurchase of equipment (handheld portable terminals) would be either a county bond issue with everybody supporting their share for their equipment or just have every jurisdiction cover their costs themselves. We think we can do the countywide bond issue under the referendum amount and then the handheld bond issue. The 911 Executive Board has authorized Fishers to start discussions
with Marion County regarding bringing Hamilton County in on their MECCA System. Hopefully they will come back next month with their proposal to compare with the AMK proposal.
Altman stated we have a very viable solution to a lot of our communication problems and dead spots and to totally elevate the service of communications within the county. Altman complimented AMK on an outstanding job addressing the concerns, testing and finding a good solution.
 

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Hamco has patches currently with the IDPSC (formerly MECCA) TRS. A few agencies have also already begun adding TG's to the SAFE-T system. The EDACS is now aging, and as stated has some dead zones that were never fixed. They have propsed a plan to convert to P25, and then merge with the IDPS to create a "regional" type of system. But unless they are going to go with Motorola, they will have to go with using the software to link the systems. Its actually an pretty good idea. If they use Harris, then it will be an software linkage, if they go with Motorla, they would just add another zone to the controller the IDPSC has. Iether way, it means building a entirely new system in HC. Including new sites for repeaters, new mobiles, HT's, etc....

It would make interop between Carmel, Fishers, and IMPD/MCFD/IEMS simpler. If they get upgrade going, it will still be a couple of years before it would see usage.
 

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Very interesting! Thanks for posting that information. EDACS is at end-of-life status so eventually they will need to go to a P25 system. They will have at least a few years to do that.

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I've heard several Hamilton County units asking dispatch to please report the radio issues today. Sounds like a mess.
 

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Yeah, I heard that too. It started out with the mobiles and portables not being able to hear dispatch, they keep getting cut off.

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I know some of the stations out in the county have safe-t radios they do on occasions do radio checks with tipton county
 

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The database shows Westfield using SAFE-T. While yes they are on SAFE-T, that is not their primary system they are still on the EDACS system.

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I know some of the stations out in the county have safe-t radios they do on occasions do radio checks with tipton county

If this was within the last couple of weeks, it was dispatch doing some radio testing. The primary system for communications is still the EDACS network. Noblesville/Westfield are the only ones that use Safe-T as a backup option.
 

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Things sound a little different on the Hamilton County system today. Noblesville Fire Dispatched a PI accident this morning and assigned it to FG 9. Maybe they are doing away with Noblesville Control and Fire Grounds. Just a guess.
 
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Things sound a little different on the Hamilton County system today. Noblesville Fire Dispatched a PI accident this morning and assigned it to FG 9. Maybe they are doing away with Noblesville Control and Fire Grounds. Just a guess.

You are correct, they were assigned to fg9.

hang on to your hats as there is more coming im sure, it is hamco.. gotta keep the scanner people guessing :)
 

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What is Westfield's Dispatch TG's on EDACS? It has not been listed in the db like... ever.
 
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Westfield has been dispatched by noblesville for several years. They use the noblesville firegrounds and control channels for both police/fire. .... for now...
 

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Westfield was dispatched by Noblesville on NFD Control and used their firegrounds. Carmel is currently out on a PI that was dispatched on County Fire and County Control but they used Carmel FG 1 when they arrived on scene.
 

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OK TY.. So looking like maybe everyone will go to centralized FD dispatching/FG's through County EOC? And that for now... Hint of maybe iether WPD getting thier own dedicated Dispatch/Control TG's, or going to SAFE-T full time until the new system happens?

:cool:

I never knew WPD/WFD were using NPD/NFD stuff before... Will readd all the NPD/NFD TG's to my 92 so I can monitor them since I am up that way a LOT seeing my fiance' in Arcadia.
 
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OK TY.. So looking like maybe everyone will go to centralized FD dispatching/FG's through County EOC? And that for now... Hint of maybe iether WPD getting thier own dedicated Dispatch/Control TG's, or going to SAFE-T full time until the new system happens?

1: yes
2: no
3: definately not happening
 

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Radio Reprogramming 6-9-13

There was an announcement for firefighters (Wayne Twp.) to bring their radios in for reprogramming.

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I have received the following info:

1. County Fire and County EMS are going away and being renamed Fire-EMS. it will still be a countywide channel but instead of 2 channels, it will be 1 channel.

2. N-Control and C-Control will no longer exist. all traffic is moving to H-Control and being renamed Control

3. Noblesville/Westfield will be using County firegrounds 9-16 as their firegrounds. NFG are going away. Carmel will still have their own firegrounds on their system.

4. The truck-truck channel will be used as an alternate control channel when the primary control is busy.

5. There will also be new firegrounds and special event channels:

HFG13
HFG14
HFG15
HFG16

HSP6
HSP7
HSP8


Please keep an ear out for these changes and new talkgroups and let us know so we can update the DB accordingly.

Thanks :cool:
 
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I have received the following info:

1. County Fire and County EMS are going away and being renamed Fire-EMS. it will still be a countywide channel but instead of 2 channels, it will be 1 channel.

2. N-Control and C-Control will no longer exist. all traffic is moving to H-Control and being renamed Control

They have been dispatching like this for awhile. 4-053 is Control I believe.

3. Noblesville/Westfield will be using County firegrounds 9-16 as their firegrounds. NFG are going away. Carmel will still have their own firegrounds on their system.

I just noticed NFD using fireground 9 a day or so ago.

NPD and WPD had their radios reprogrammed today.

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I was in the area of 13600 North Merdian Street at St.Vincent Carmel hospital on Monday 6-11-13.I was monitoring the Hamilton County EDACS system on my Uniden Home Patrol HP-1. The users of the system were having problems hearing dispatch both police and fire. I heard several times dispatch was asked to repeat their radio traffic.
 
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