Hennepin County Broadcastify Feed

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That doesn't say anything from the member who is streaming the MPLS feeds. that is some generic message as to no stream certain channels...which they were not. Those channels are encrypted and you cant listen to them far as i know. and many ohter here stated unequivlicly that no rules were broken.

Quote from that notice.

"If law enforcement operations are occurring on dedicated DISPATCH, Events, or Interop channels, those communications ARE ALLOWED "
ALL of the talk about the riots are on the Statewide Interop Channel channels....i have been listing to them on my own scanner and this is true.

Please show me the message posted by the feed provider, that would be the volunteer who makes the feed, not boardcastify as to why or theier update as to why they have not been able to restore their feed.

Cant someone just make another one?

Regardless. the events are pretty much over here now. so there is no reason to further censor and keep the feed offline.
 
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That doesn't say anything from the member who is streaming the MPLS feeds. that is some generic message as to no stream certain channels...which they were not. Those channels are encrypted and you cant listen to them far as i know. and many ohter here stated unequivlicly that no rules were broken.

Quote from that notice.

"If law enforcement operations are occurring on dedicated DISPATCH, Events, or Interop channels, those communications ARE ALLOWED "
ALL of the talk about the riots are on the Statewide Interop Channel channels....i have been listing to them on my own scanner and this is true.

Please show me the message posted by the feed provider, that would be the volunteer who makes the feed, not boardcastify as to why or theier update as to why they have not been able to restore their feed.

Cant someone just make another one?

Regardless. the events are pretty much over here now. so there is no reason to further censor and keep the feed offline.

Go to this page - Hennepin County Minnesota Live Audio Feeds and see the message under the Hennepin County Public Safety feed. It says "Terminated due to a feed provider terms of service violation "
 
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I do not own this site. That post came from the owner take it up with the owner.
You said and implied that the feed provider (the person providing the stream) had posted a update or notice on as to why there was not feed.....i see that is not what u meant.....

I also am mad that i have paid for premium access to access the Archive Feeds....which DO NOT EXIST now cause there has been no feed for over a week. who do i request a refund from? This is unacceptable.
 
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Go to this page - Hennepin County Minnesota Live Audio Feeds and see the message under the Hennepin County Public Safety feed. It says "Terminated due to a feed provider terms of service violation "
Which is complete BS> as many here have pointed out.
Curious that it seems a feed can be taken down so easily from some whiny person to just send in a complaint. and poof its gone.

and i am browsing the same kinda traffic on other cities feeds...all the same police talk on dealing with the riots...those are still up.
 
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As was stated, take it up with the owner. Or buy a scanner so you don't have to depend on an internet feed.
How? that thread is locked. this is where i get sent to and where google puts me to ask about why the feed is ofline.
I have sent messages to the Broadcastify support. no response this is what i was told by many long term members to go to, RadioReferance site. According to that post you linked to, Fuunder and CEO for this site and Broadcastify are the same
 
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"If a feed is offline for 21 days it will automatically be deleted from our catalog. "

well...that is nice. RIP

The cops were concerned about it last night - I heard it come up probably 3 times they felt the protesters were monitoring their radio traffic.
Then they should have moved over to fully encrypted radios, that the public can not listen to. Simple.
Also, here is a idea....stream the radio traffic on a delay...live tv is already done that way most times. 5 min delay would be fine to allevaite any would be "smart" criminals tyring to listen to the feeds to get away.
I think there are laws that stipulate that police radio traffic is something the public can listen to and what laws govern that.
I havn't done any research on that, but I am certain they exist.

Or buy a scanner so you don't have to depend on an internet feed.
I have one and have been streaming it on YT and Twitch and discord for some of my groups until today, since things are mostly quite now.

But i like the convenience of the smartphone app. having multiple sources as just one scanner will not always stop on a certain active channel, while the other one will. I also very frequently like to lock in my scanner just to my local city channels, and use the online streaming to hear the auto scan(that i cant lock) of everything else in the county. Scanners are expensive, the Uniden Home Patrol II touch screen one i got a few years ago was like $500. I also do not have the ablity to use a nice large outdoor antenna, so I often can not pick up things farther away from me.

not to mention, the paywalled feature of the online audio archives, in case something happens, and i did not have my scanner on recording or was not home, to catch it...(last month there was a issue in my apartment complex, and only via the Audio Archives did i find out what it was)
 
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The Hennepin County Public Safety Dispatch feed is broadcasting the tactical channels being used to address tonight’s riot. This is in DIRECT violation of Broadcastify’s rules, which state,
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I have submitted a complaint to Broadcastify, and others should as well. Officers on these talk groups have repeatedly reported that rioters are monitoring their traffic. Does anyone know who is responsible for providing this dangerous and irresponsible feed?

I fail to comprehend your participation in this particular forum if you feel government transparency is so "dangerous and irresponsible". Given that the Hennepin County feed has been offlined since shortly after this post, we might as well just give up our "hobby" and our right to know what our public servants are doing altogether!

Agencies have more than enough encrypted channels to make use of and I venture to guess the critical comms are not out in the open. FFS the Hennepin Co Sheriff, in totalitarian fashion, has already moved all of their comms to encrypted, the National Guard operates all encrypted along with any federal agencies involved as well.

Hennepin County is available on OpenMHz.com
That was true until Friday... both Hennepin East and West feeds have been removed. I briefly saw a Minneapolis feed that was clearly misconfigured as it was only broadcasting a second or 2 of each call. FYI...

You can hear a Trunk Recorder stream here:
https://openmhz.com/system/hennearmer
SWEET! Thank you for this link @AB5ID ... the Hennepin feeds are no longer listed in the systems on OpenMHz. Figured they were gone... didn't think about it til I saw your post! Thanks again!

"If a feed is offline for 21 days it will automatically be deleted from our catalog. "

well...that is nice. RIP


Then they should have moved over to fully encrypted radios, that the public can not listen to. Simple.
Also, here is a idea....stream the radio traffic on a delay...live tv is already done that way most times. 5 min delay would be fine to allevaite any would be "smart" criminals tyring to listen to the feeds to get away.
I think there are laws that stipulate that police radio traffic is something the public can listen to and what laws govern that.
I havn't done any research on that, but I am certain they exist.


I have one and have been streaming it on YT and Twitch and discord for some of my groups until today, since things are mostly quite now.

But i like the convenience of the smartphone app. having multiple sources as just one scanner will not always stop on a certain active channel, while the other one will. I also very frequently like to lock in my scanner just to my local city channels, and use the online streaming to hear the auto scan(that i cant lock) of everything else in the county. Scanners are expensive, the Uniden Home Patrol II touch screen one i got a few years ago was like $500. I also do not have the ablity to use a nice large outdoor antenna, so I often can not pick up things farther away from me.

not to mention, the paywalled feature of the online audio archives, in case something happens, and i did not have my scanner on recording or was not home, to catch it...(last month there was a issue in my apartment complex, and only via the Audio Archives did i find out what it was)

Look into Software Defined Radio (SDR) rather than a dedicated hardware unit. Way more flexible capability and stacks of cash cheaper too! No doubt it will be the future of radio enthusiasts as time goes!
 

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I was the one streaming Minneapolis N-S to OpenMHz. I've been working on this off and on since early March. I'm having a lot of difficulty getting trunk-recorder to decode properly (at least on a Raspberry Pi which is what I was using) which is why the feed was coming & going a lot. After additional experimentation I have (hopefully temporarily) switched to SDRTrunk which is doing a much better decode job for me. It does not have OpenMHz streaming capability, I looked briefly at adding OpenMHz capability to SDRTrunk but have too many other projects to work on and probably higher on the list would be to develop something akin to OpenMHz which worked better for the ARMER system with so many sites across the state.

In any event, I am streaming Minneapolis N-S to Broadcastify Calls now. I can also easily create traditional Broadcastify feeds with any set of TGs you want (within the ToS) from the Minneapolis N-S towers and publish those. Work up some suggested groups of TGs you'd like in feeds and I'll see about setting it up.
 

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I was the one streaming Minneapolis N-S to OpenMHz. I've been working on this off and on since early March. I'm having a lot of difficulty getting trunk-recorder to decode properly (at least on a Raspberry Pi which is what I was using) which is why the feed was coming & going a lot. After additional experimentation I have (hopefully temporarily) switched to SDRTrunk which is doing a much better decode job for me. It does not have OpenMHz streaming capability, I looked briefly at adding OpenMHz capability to SDRTrunk but have too many other projects to work on and probably higher on the list would be to develop something akin to OpenMHz which worked better for the ARMER system with so many sites across the state.

In any event, I am streaming Minneapolis N-S to Broadcastify Calls now. I can also easily create traditional Broadcastify feeds with any set of TGs you want (within the ToS) from the Minneapolis N-S towers and publish those. Work up some suggested groups of TGs you'd like in feeds and I'll see about setting it up.

I was looking for this feed - could it be Minneapolis Police and Fire dispatch which is off line as of Thursday evening?

If possible, I'd suggest METCOM TG 48. Interesting stuff was there last time I visited Minneapolis. Hopefully you are able to stream Minneapolis Fire Tactical channels and that Broadcastify considers a fire tactical channel different from a law enforcement tactical channel.

Lastly a very big thanks for doing this!
 

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I was looking for this feed - could it be Minneapolis Police and Fire dispatch which is off line as of Thursday evening?
No, that is/was someone else but given it seems to be staying offline I could create a new feed.
If possible, I'd suggest METCOM TG 48. Interesting stuff was there last time I visited Minneapolis. Hopefully you are able to stream Minneapolis Fire Tactical channels and that Broadcastify considers a fire tactical channel different from a law enforcement tactical channel.

Lastly a very big thanks for doing this!
My question is how do people want things divided up. Because I am using SDRs and not a traditional scanner I can create as many separate feeds as you'd like. e.g. police dispatch and fire dispatch could be separate feeds or together, fire tac (yes allowed, just LE tacs are not), could be separate from dispatch, etc. Essentially I could put every TG on a separate feed if people wanted it that way (though it's a bit more work to setup so let's be reasonable). For example, I could split the PD dispatch into separate feeds or have all the PD dispatch TGs in one feed. I am really sucking in all communications at once and no calls (at least that can be decoded) are lost. SDRs are amazing. I believe the software when creating a legacy feed will play back slightly delayed calls if multiple ones come in at the same time and are destined for the same feed so you won't miss anything at the expense of getting delayed a bit if there are a lot of TGs on the feed.

The question remains then what sorts of groupings of TGs into feeds from Minneapolis N-S would people want?
 

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I fail to comprehend your participation in this particular forum if you feel government transparency is so "dangerous and irresponsible". Given that the Hennepin County feed has been offlined since shortly after this post, we might as well just give up our "hobby" and our right to know what our public servants are doing altogether!

Agencies have more than enough encrypted channels to make use of and I venture to guess the critical comms are not out in the open. FFS the Hennepin Co Sheriff, in totalitarian fashion, has already moved all of their comms to encrypted, the National Guard operates all encrypted along with any federal agencies involved as well.

And that is precisely what I do not want to see more of in this area. When officers, under assault of projectiles from an angry mob, key up and state on a channel of which Broadcastify's terms of use specifically forbid streaming, that the aforementioned angry mob has individuals monitoring their radio traffic, the countdown to full encryption plummets. Nearly every single media statement following the introduction of full encryption in an area addresses this concept. St. Louis, MO, is a cautionary tale to scanner hobbyists everywhere. Naturally, the issue of encryption is much more complicated than one post can fully address, and I would posit that many who read this understand that. However, no one could argue that the taunting of smartphone scanning of tactical (albeit unencrypted) talkgroups by an unpredictable and massive crowd doesn't put E's in the eyes of those in power.

That having been said, I can't argue enough for government transparency, and our hobby plays an incredibly important role in that. The truth is important, and having spent the past week monitoring Twin Cities area radio traffic (on the devices I paid good money for, and spent time learning to program and configure well) I've heard much more truth than is present in most media coverage and Facebook posting. Without getting into politics, I believe government transparency and accountability are essential to our American way of life. I doubt many of us would disagree with that. In a perfect world, every public safety channel could be monitored from your scanner and streamed around the world, and no problems would ever arise from that. (Could you imagine how cool that would be?!) Unfortunately, the Broadcastify terms of service have to exist for a reason, and the streamer who I addressed in this thread violated them.

However, as the country moves forward and, in some cases, looks deeper into its relationship with the men and women sworn to protect it, I wonder (and hope) if the issue of encryption will be reexamined. Many of those who post in these forums from encrypted areas have expressed frustration at the lack of transparency in their area, and the unfortunate commitment of their tax dollars to this cause. Perhaps now, more than ever, those with the power over those who have signed off on clicking that dreaded box in CPS will listen. Perhaps correspondence with one's elected officials supporting unencrypted communication won't be as dismissed as they may have been in the past. Who knows?
 

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Seems to me like just for Broadcastify's survival, they should agree to some form of delay rather than feeds drying up due to encryption.
 

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The question remains then what sorts of groupings of TGs into feeds from Minneapolis N-S would people want?

My 2 cents would be:

A - MPD channels as one group. Owing to what time of day, they have different channel assignments for precincts. Alternatively MPD 1 as a group, MPD 2 as another group, MPD 3 as a third then MPD 4.

B - MFD channels as another group. The fire main and tac channels 3 to whatever is the highest in this group. (A fire tac channel is a different creature than a law enforcement tac channel. As a retired fire chief I'm happy with folks listening to what we are doing. A long time ago in New Jersey there was a bad fire with firefighters trapped. Unfortunately they were on the wrong channel when calling for help and no one answered. Luckily a hobbyist heard them and telephoned dispatch.)

C - I'm not sure about this and it depends on whether the state patrol mains are forced on Minneapolis N-S. If nothing else it would be helpful to know where crashes are, so folks can avoid an area.

D - METCOM on a group.

Again, thanks!
 

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Instead of putting it out there for only us to hear here on RR, write to your mayors, state and federal reps, governers, the FCC etc. They're the ones who make policy. Not Radio Referance. Unfortunately we don't have an organization like the NRA or AARL to go to bat for us so we have to do it ourselves.
 
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