How do I find the FCC-ID for this very old walkie talkie?

[KE7IZL]

I was looking at vintage radio equipment on Ebay, and I noticed a pattern, that they often don't have an FCC-ID on them, just a statement of compliance. For example here Pair Of Vintage Realistifone Walkie Talkies TRC-2 Transceiver W/ Case CV JD | eBay is a walkie talkies that has an FCC part 15 compliance statement but nowhere is there an FCC-ID. Is the very idea of having an FCC-ID for a product (or at least the requirement that it be printed directly on the product) a relatively new thing (like just within the past few decades)? Or was it just that a long time ago the FCC didn't often enforce the requirement to print the device's FCC-ID on the product, so companies tended to save a few bucks by not bothering to print it?

By the way, I know this is the CB Radio section, but I couldn't find one for vintage walkie talkies (which is the type of equipment I'm talking about here, and I couldn't find a section for these). So note to moderators, please don't delete this post if this happens to be the wrong section to post this. This walkie talkie I mentioned may use the CB walkie talkie channel (channel 14) or it may use a completely different frequency band.

 

[mmckenna]

walkie talkies that has an FCC part 15 compliance statement but nowhere is there an FCC-ID.

I don't believe they were required to have an FCC ID back then.
I believe the rules were if these radios were under a certain power limit, they fell under Part 15, not Part 95. The Part 15 rules only required the compliance with Part 15 statement. They didn't require Part 95 certification, even though they often operated on CB Channel 14.

 

[KE7IZL]

I don't believe they were required to have an FCC ID back then.
I believe the rules were if these radios were under a certain power limit, they fell under Part 15, not Part 95. The Part 15 rules only required the compliance with Part 15 statement. They didn't require Part 95 certification, even though they often operated on CB Channel 14.

I thought that every radio emitting device, including low power part 15 devices were required to obtain an FCC-ID.

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

Ham radios only have to comply with Part 15. Low power 100 mw walkie talkies are categorically part 15.

 

[mmckenna]

I thought that every radio emitting device, including low power part 15 devices were required to obtain an FCC-ID.

Part 15 is different than Part 90, 95, 80, etc. "Certificate of conformity" I think is/was the term that was used. Part 15 also had two types, unintentional radiators, and intentional radiators. The low power (100mw or less) CB radios didn't need it, just like the 49MHz walkie talkies.

And as R-E-G said above, amateur radio equipment does not require type acceptance on the transmitters (one of the several reasons they can be used on other radio services). He correctly pointed out that the FCC tag on the back refers to the "scanning receiver" functionality.

Also, things change. Those are old walkie talkies you are looking at. A lot of FCC stuff has changed since then.

 

[KE7IZL]

Part 15 is different than Part 90, 95, 80, etc. "Certificate of conformity" I think is/was the term that was used. Part 15 also had two types, unintentional radiators, and intentional radiators. The low power (100mw or less) CB radios didn't need it, just like the 49MHz walkie talkies.

And as R-E-G said above, amateur radio equipment does not require type acceptance on the transmitters (one of the several reasons they can be used on other radio services). He correctly pointed out that the FCC tag on the back refers to the "scanning receiver" functionality.

Also, things change. Those are old walkie talkies you are looking at. A lot of FCC stuff has changed since then.

I thought ham radios at least were required to meet the requirements laid out in the portion of the FCC rules regarding ham radio, which is called Part 97. Every ham radio design that is to manufactured must be type accepted for ham radio use which means conducting sophisticated RF measurements to be sure that it operates correctly according to Part 97 rules, and then submitting the results from those measurements to the FCC. Only once a specific ham radio equipment design (circuit design, RF shielding, etc) has been type accepted by the FCC based on Part 97 rules can it be legally sold in the US as a ham radio. If any of the design is to be changed (like if the manufacture decides to make a new circuit design that's more efficient), it must undergo the whole type acceptance process all over again (RF testing and submitting the test results to the FCC, and then receiving a letter of type acceptance from the FCC), before devices built with the new design can be legally sold in the US as ham radios.

Part 15 on the other hand, is for either unintentional radiators, or for low power intentional radiators that operate in bands that don't require a license for low power use, and that aren't already covered by other FCC rules (such as the CB radios that are covered by Part 95).

 

[kf8yk]

The first date FCC type acceptance ID's were mandatory for manufacture or import was October 27, 1980.

The FCC began issuing type acceptance ID's in April '79, between this and the Oct requirement display of the FCC ID was voluntary.

 

[mmckenna]

I thought ham radios at least were required to meet the requirements laid out in the portion of the FCC rules regarding ham radio, which is called Part 97.

That's Part 97, subpart D. It has some requirements, but it doesn't require type certification on the transmitters. The only certifications you'll find are for amplifiers, and most of that is centered around making sure they can't be easily used on CB

The receiver portion of mass produced ham gear will often have Part 15 'certificate of conformity' for the scanning receiver portion. But that's not Part 97...

 

[prcguy]

Ham radios only have to comply with Part 15. Low power 100 mw walkie talkies are categorically part 15.

The 1964 advertising for these specifically mentions license free and that falls under part 15 even today.