Identifying TGIDs

[joeyperillo]

Greetings - I hope this is the proper forum to ask for this help - using SDS 200, doing Trunking Discovery for an adjacent county interop - many clear hits of all sorts, only the TGID number is displayed - I have tried my best to scour RR for help but no luck - my question is how do I find out what for example TGID 398 is in this county interop? Is it LE or EMT or non emergency transfer or county/city road maintenance, etc? Thanks very much.

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

What system are you monitoring? Radioreference relies on user submissions to stay up-to-date. Someone in the know would have to listen to that TGID for any identifiable information then submit the info to the database to be included in the next update

 

[joeyperillo]

What system are you monitoring? Radioreference relies on user submissions to stay up-to-date. Someone in the know would have to listen to that TGID for any identifiable information then submit the info to the database to be included in the next update

Mercer County NJ Interoperability - Mercer County LE and Trenton are E so I wanted to see what else is there......I saw the RR list of unidentified TGIDs and actually none of the number hits I got are on that unidentified list - that tells me they must be on an Identified list somewhere on RR.....any idea where such a list would be? Thanks so much. Some interesting stuff - no idea what it is or where....

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

Mercer County NJ Interoperability - Mercer County LE and Trenton are E so I wanted to see what else is there......I saw the RR list of unidentified TGIDs and actually none of the number hits I got are on that unidentified list - that tells me they must be on an Identified list somewhere on RR.....any idea where such a list would be? Thanks so much. Some interesting stuff - no idea what it is or where....

The unconfirmed talkgroup wiki is here. Not much info given & I'm not seeing a TGID 398. I'm not aware of any other list here aside from the one I provided

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

Perhaps you may want to click the "Report" link beneath your posting and ask the admins to relocate this thread to the New Jersey Radio Discussion Forum. You may be more likely to get some locals to tune in and help you identify...

 

[joeyperillo]

The unconfirmed talkgroup wiki is here. Not much info given & I'm not seeing a TGID 398. I'm not aware of any other list here aside from the one I provided

Thank you - seems odd there would be a list of unidentified TGs but no list of identified TGs....and I made up the 398 - there's a TGID out of Trenton which is very interesting.....

 

[joeyperillo]

Perhaps you may want to click the "Report" link beneath your posting and ask the admins to relocate this thread to the New Jersey Radio Discussion Forum. You may be more likely to get some locals to tune in and help you identify...

Thank you - I shall - I considered doing that but figured it doesn't matter where I am referring to if I am just trying to find out where and if RR has a list of identified TGs....but you're correct - perhaps a Jersey person will know these TGs - thanks so much.

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

Thank you - seems odd there would be a list of unidentified TGs but no list of identified TGs...

Not sure what you mean. List of identified TGs on the system is here

 

[Hit_Factor]

Thank you - seems odd there would be a list of unidentified TGs but no list of identified TGs....and I made up the 398 - there's a TGID 348 out of Trenton which is very interesting.....

I imagine Trenton PD is interesting.

 

[joeyperillo]

Looks like you in fact answered my question - it appears the DEC column shows the TG number....I see the TG numbers I was referring to and they make sense - again I thank you

 

[joeyperillo]

I imagine Trenton PD is interesting.

yes - which is why it is encrypted as is the neighboring town

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

yes - which is why it is encrypted as is the neighboring town

...as seems to be the trend for LE agencies moving forward. My county just switched on the big-E for LE yesterday

 

[u2brent]

Unidentified is how any TGID that is not stored in your programing will be displayed on the screen (Even if it is known, but just not included in the current FL your scanning), There's no additional (hidden) list somewhere. If it's not listed on the RRDB Page and not listed on a wiki page somewhere, then no-one has added it yet.. Anyone can add to the wiki or even create a page if none exists for the system already..
click the wiki link located near the top right corner of any RR System Page to see what's there.. Some have elaborate details and additional pages, others have none because no one has taken the time to create it..

Mercer County Interoperable Public Safety Radio System - The RadioReference Wiki

wiki.radioreference.com

There's much more to explore in the wiki. You can easily get lost..

The RadioReference Wiki

wiki.radioreference.com

 

[joeyperillo]

Unidentified is how any TGID that is not stored in your programing will be displayed on the screen (Even if it is known, but just not included in the current FL your scanning), There's no additional (hidden) list somewhere. If it's not listed on the RRDB Page and not listed on a wiki page somewhere, then no-one has added it yet.. Anyone can add to the wiki or even create a page if none exists for the system already..
click the wiki link located near the top right corner of any RR System Page to see what's there.. Some have elaborate details and additional pages, others have none because no one has taken the time to create it..

Mercer County Interoperable Public Safety Radio System - The RadioReference Wiki

wiki.radioreference.com

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There's much more to explore in the wiki. You can easily get lost..

The RadioReference Wiki

wiki.radioreference.com

Very much appreciated - as I was helped to discover, the Decimal column corresponds with the TG that is displayed when I do a Discover on the radio.....the good news and the bad news is there is so much to learn......I appreciate your response very much.

 

[u2brent]

One way to determine what a truly unidentified TGID may be is to keep track of the RID's displayed on the scanner or logged using software.
This opens your world to a whole new Database to reference, In other words.. When you start observing RIDS & TGID'S together and build upon what is known, You can see a much broader use of a system. For instance a RID known to be an LE unit on a known TGID that also appears on an unidentified TGID will be a clue as to who is using that TGID.. even if it's encrypted.

Chester Co RIDS are well documented already for example..

Chester County Emergency Services Radio and Unit IDs - The RadioReference Wiki

wiki.radioreference.com

Another way is to look at the TGID's on a system in logical order (Not by Departments as the RRDB is layed out by default) Most are designed in a logical order and similar TGID's are grouped together in a series, So a TGID that falls into the range of other known TGID's in the same range are usually related..

Chester County Emergency Services Trunking System, Chester County, Pennsylvania

Chester County Emergency Services Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

The Chester County P25 is once again a good example..
TGID's that are in the..
1xxx series are Law Enforcement
2xxx series are Fire/EMS
3xxx series are EMA
4xxx series are Mutual Aid & Local Government PS
5xxx series are Countywide Agencies & DES
6xxx series are Public Works

You can get them displayed in this way by clicking/changing the sort order..

This is a fairly good method on most well planned and thought out Public Safety Systems.
Business/Private LMR systems may use a similar configuration, but some are just a mess...

aside from the obvious.. Listening to recordings when available in the clear..

Lots of Fun..

 

[trentbob]

Hey Joey I just saw this thread I don't know how I missed it, I was on Wednesday night. I'll give you a PM.

 

[joeyperillo]

Hey Joey I just saw this thread I don't know how I missed it, I was on Wednesday night. I'll give you a PM.

Bob - I figured out that DEC column is the TGID.....I have often wished there were a PM here - where is it?

 

[Hit_Factor]

Bob - I figured out that DEC column is the TGID.....I have often wished there were a PM here - where is it?

Click on the users icon, then click start a conversation. PM=Conversation

 

[trentbob]

Okay Joey I sent you a message... I continued the one that we have been using a few weeks ago called The Reason. The envelope at the top of the page should have a one next to it. Click on it and reply there. Thanks.