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Not to mention that dPMR (TM) isn't legal to use in the US or Canada.
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Uh oh, then you should probably let the FCC know. They've been approving 4K81F1E radios.
So glad ICOM is selling their IC-8600 for about $2500 with dPMR but not DMR. I'll be interested to see who actually buys this radio in US or Europe.
dPMR emissions / technology might be legal on certain authorized part 90 frequencies in the US, but I believe that the 'official' dPMR-badged radios used in Europe operate on 446 MHz... which are amateur frequencies in the US.
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You are confusing dPMR and dPMR446.
European dPMR446 is license free and limited to 0.5 W on a few frequencies above the PMR446 frequences. Using those frequencies in the US requires an amateur radio license.
More info at Welcome to the dPMR Association, Narrowband 6.25Khz Digital Standards Defined
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Correct, PMR446 is the European equivalent of the FRS service here in the USA. (license by rule/low power)
Since 446MHz falls in the 70CM amateur band here in the USA, it's not illegal to use in the USA if you hold an amateur license.
The emission DPMR is not illegal to use in the USA, just not favored, not popular, and it can be used by amateur radio operators anywhere on frequencies they are permitted to use digital voice on. When I did a quick search on the FCC OET site, there were a few FCC approved Part 90 radios that did have the DPMR emission designators.
Since 446MHz falls in the 70CM amateur band here in the USA, it's not illegal to use in the USA if you hold an amateur license.
The emission DPMR is not illegal to use in the USA, just not favored, not popular, and it can be used by amateur radio operators anywhere on frequencies they are permitted to use digital voice on. When I did a quick search on the FCC OET site, there were a few FCC approved Part 90 radios that did have the DPMR emission designators.
So, I now sit corrected. Thanks for the edification!
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It's similar to NXDN in a lot of ways. 6.25kHz FDMA. In fact, as mentioned above, some Icom and Kenwood NXDN radios will run DPMR.
And, since it's got a wide acceptance amongst manufacturers in Europe, it would be something that could/should catch on here in the states with some users. Eventually getting forced to 6.25kHz channels is going to happen on the Part 90 side, and that also means that eventually amateur will go that way also. It'd be pretty dang awesome if amateur radio would chose a common digital standard shared amongst manufacturers. While DMR, NXDN, Fusion, D-Star, P25 are all nice, having a common very narrow band emission common across amateur radio would certainly benefit the emergency communications side of ham.
And, since it's got a wide acceptance amongst manufacturers in Europe, it would be something that could/should catch on here in the states with some users. Eventually getting forced to 6.25kHz channels is going to happen on the Part 90 side, and that also means that eventually amateur will go that way also. It'd be pretty dang awesome if amateur radio would chose a common digital standard shared amongst manufacturers. While DMR, NXDN, Fusion, D-Star, P25 are all nice, having a common very narrow band emission common across amateur radio would certainly benefit the emergency communications side of ham.
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Yeah what is with that? Are the radios so awful they must turn the deviation almost off to comply with the emission mask? I really wish the TIA or FCC would make a noise about this worthless junk.
Gag me with a spoon. These cheap radios make me puke. Why do they get so much support?
Can we all agree that one should not spend less than $200 for a budget radio?
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Yeah, I guess QC is so bad that it's a preemptive approach.
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