pappy1
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Jeffrey, I agree. I paid for the testing for all 3 of my tickets. Others should too.
IMPD On Illegal tac frequencies 156Mhz
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nascargrant said:
Nascar [Jeffrey]: I am included in "our" - I'm a ham radio op as well. I paid for three tests. But I am sure I didn't sacrifice a mortgage payment and lose my house to do it... know what I mean? The cost was inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.
The OP (and others) is up in arms because they found out that some frequencies are being used by cops - and some are still debating the legality of this. Ok, so now people are up in arms. I didn't know it was any of our jobs to play OO (official observer) and observe the communications of the users of the airwaves.
The kicker is that the OP finds these frequencies in use, is amazed, astonished, appauled by such communications being undertaken, and then goes on to ask (and almost plead) for others to provide more frequencies for him to listen to that may be used by the same agencies. So, it really seems that somebody is playing radio cop here and perhaps has an axe to grind with law enforcement or something.
Pappy: You go on to applaud W9NES for giving you some "juicy" frequencies to listen to, which as a radio hobbiest I suppose you should be grateful for - but heck, if he is so up in arms and wants to get the FCC to bust them, then there may not be much "juicy" listening for long. It seems to me
This is just crazy.folks. But I'll bow out and let you guys put red lights on your heads, a scanner in your pocket, hop on your bicycles and go down the road making siren sounds while you're trying to bust all the people using frequencies illegally... because I'll be content just listening to the traffic on the scanner.
Mike
nascargrant said:
Really? Who did you pay for your license? The FCC issues them for free. You likely paid for a test, which if you failed you would have still been out the money. You might have paid for a vanity call, but the license is still free.
Grog said:
Are you kidding? The FCC charges a fee for the test, but you can't get the license without passing the test. Get your crap together before posting something so stupid. Tell me a place where you can get your Ham ticket for free??????
nascargrant said:
Im sorry for jumping the gun. I just thought your post was useless, but this is a open forum so I will chill out. This forum is not about Ham Radio, and im sorry for turning it into one. I don't agree with the transmiting that's going on. It's one thing to use a frequency without a license, but a totally different offense to use bad language. I guess the range is better than the 11 meter band for them. Im sure the radios there using probably is around 50 watts, and gets decent coverage throughout Marion County.
pappy1
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KC9LGZ, don't get too excided that it hampers your thinking.
You do not pay the FCC for testing. The fee you pay is for the VE's
giving the test, not the license. Check it out.
You do not pay the FCC for testing. The fee you pay is for the VE's
giving the test, not the license. Check it out.
pappy1 said:
ARRL VEC Test Fees
The ARRL VEC Test Fee for 2008 is $14.00.
Retests of an element failed at the same test session will require payment of an additional test fee.
ARRL VEC Reimbursements.
The maximum reimbursement the ARRL VEC allows ARRL Volunteer Examiner (VE) Teams to retain for test sessions is "up to $6.00" per exam fee collected. Only the amount needed to offset out-of-pocket expenses incurred (or to be incurred) is to be retained. As long as the expense is warranted and has been prudently incurred, and the expense is specifically related to exam administration, then the fee can be retained.
The team should keep a complete record of the expenses paid (with receipts) in team records for two years.
Regardless of how you look at it it's not free anywhere you go. So again I ask you where can you go and get your ticket (license) for free????
pappy1
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nascargrant said:
I did not say anything was free. ARRL VEC Test Fees are for testing NOT FCC fee's, therefore the FCC license IS free, but not the test.
pappy1 said:
OK your right. Is that what you are looking for? It's common knowledge what you are saying. I guess I just didn't word it correctly. Anyways back to the forum, and the main topic.
nascargrant said:
The license is free, except for Vanity call signs. The fee is for the "test" and if the test were ever done away with, the license would still be free, and renewal is free. You are confusing the two, the testing fee which pays the costs involved in setting up and providing the test.
The license has no fee involved whatsoever. And if you ask for a copy, there is no fee. And neither do Part 90 Public Safety licenses have a fee for that matter. An irony is the if IMPD asked for a license, it would not cost a fee from the FCC, coordination would be a cost, but if they asked for itinerant frequncies, the cost would be minimal.
AL
newsalan said:
Well there is only way to get your Amateur Radio license, and it's through a test. No matter how you look at it. You can't just call up the FCC and ask for the license. I guess im the only one that understands this. You guys can word it anyway you like, but it's not free. The cost goes to the VE, the club, the FCC.....Who cares how you word it you still have to pay for it. Contact the FCC and tell them you want a VHF frequency or any frequency for that matter, and ask them how you can obtain one. Almost 100% of the time they will refer you to a private company that allocates frequencies for them. The FCC has better things to do besides assigning frequencies. Most of the time they will not assign frequencies anyways. I don't want to argue this anymore. The cost for the test is not the topic at hand anyways, but I was just waiting for newsalan to put his $0.02 in anyways. man newsalan where you been? This has been going on all night. I just knew all along you would come through and straighten it all up.
National Police VHF Channel
155.475
Use is limited to criteria set forth under Part 90.20 frequency limitation (41) ”This frequency is available for use in police emergency communications networks operated under statewide law enforcement emergency communications plans”. Any request for this frequency under I/O pricing must be accompanied by an affidavit indicating the use of this frequency is consistent with a state plan officially recognized by the state in which it will be used.
VHF/UHF Interoperability Channels (VTAC/UTAC Channels)
Use of the following frequencies must be compliant with FCC limitations (80) (…this frequency is available primarily for public safety interoperability only communications…
and limitation (27) (narrow band emission only).
An eligible entity must have a license to operate a base or control station on these channels. Public safety licensees who are eligible to hold a Part 90 license, or who are otherwise licensed under Part 90, can operate mobile units on these channels without an individual license.
The Third MO&O states, "Prior toJanuary 1, 2005, interoperability use will be permitted only on a secondary basis to existing users; that is, interoperability transmissions can be made only when the channel is clear and on a non-interference basis." Particularly related to use as base or control stations licensed on these channels, the FCC will license interoperability use on these channels, the FCC anticipates a condition on any such license making interoperability communications secondary to the existing licensees until January 1, 2005. Incumbent operations licensed and operating on these frequencies prior to December 7, 2000 in non-interoperability manners are consider to be co-primary until January 1, 2005 at which time they will become secondary to any interoperability operations.
VHF
151.1375
154.4525
155.7525
158.7375
159.4725
UHF
453.2125
453.4625
453.7125
453.8625
458.2125
458.4625
458.7125
458.8625
Any thing other than this listed on VHF/UHF is Illegal operations
155.475
Use is limited to criteria set forth under Part 90.20 frequency limitation (41) ”This frequency is available for use in police emergency communications networks operated under statewide law enforcement emergency communications plans”. Any request for this frequency under I/O pricing must be accompanied by an affidavit indicating the use of this frequency is consistent with a state plan officially recognized by the state in which it will be used.
VHF/UHF Interoperability Channels (VTAC/UTAC Channels)
Use of the following frequencies must be compliant with FCC limitations (80) (…this frequency is available primarily for public safety interoperability only communications…
and limitation (27) (narrow band emission only). An eligible entity must have a license to operate a base or control station on these channels. Public safety licensees who are eligible to hold a Part 90 license, or who are otherwise licensed under Part 90, can operate mobile units on these channels without an individual license.
The Third MO&O states, "Prior toJanuary 1, 2005, interoperability use will be permitted only on a secondary basis to existing users; that is, interoperability transmissions can be made only when the channel is clear and on a non-interference basis." Particularly related to use as base or control stations licensed on these channels, the FCC will license interoperability use on these channels, the FCC anticipates a condition on any such license making interoperability communications secondary to the existing licensees until January 1, 2005. Incumbent operations licensed and operating on these frequencies prior to December 7, 2000 in non-interoperability manners are consider to be co-primary until January 1, 2005 at which time they will become secondary to any interoperability operations.
VHF
151.1375
154.4525
155.7525
158.7375
159.4725
UHF
453.2125
453.4625
453.7125
453.8625
458.2125
458.4625
458.7125
458.8625
Any thing other than this listed on VHF/UHF is Illegal operations
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nascargrant said:
Yes there is only one way to get a license. And the point is, which you missed time and again is, Part 90 governmental agencies do not have to pay a fee to the FCC/Government. And Ham/Amateur radio operators do not have to pay a fee to the FCC/Government.
So IMPD could get licensed tomorrow and not have to pay a fee for the license.
Maybe they’ll go encrypted and then you won’t know who they are and what they are saying. Which something along those lines will happen now I’m sure, or everything will go to Nextel.
w8fcc said:
Actually it's not, it is just unlicensed, but with a license it could take place, with the exception of the foul language.
Perhaps you’re confused.
Interoperability – between different agencies
Itinerant – traveling or for use over a wide geographic area.
I’m saying there are options available to them.
IMPD could even use MURS or FRS frequencies.
The language would still be a problem, but it might serve their purposes.
Me, I would just listen and learn, that is what the hobby is all about.
unlicensed is illegall and so is what they are saying and it has been reproted and df
These are the only VHF/UHF lic they hold for IMPD/IPD/Marion County Sheriff any thing other than the list below is ILLEGALL
KSA318
KSA890
WPDB984
WQX252
UHF
453.2125
453.4625
453.7125
453.8625
458.2125
458.4625
458.7125
458.8625
VHF
151.1375
154.4525
155.7525
158.7375
159.4725
These are the only VHF/UHF lic they hold for IMPD/IPD/Marion County Sheriff any thing other than the list below is ILLEGALL
KSA318
KSA890
WPDB984
WQX252
UHF
453.2125
453.4625
453.7125
453.8625
458.2125
458.4625
458.7125
458.8625
VHF
151.1375
154.4525
155.7525
158.7375
159.4725
w8fcc said:
I'm not sure what falls under Part 90 - I don't really care really. I just like to listen. Based upon that last bit I quoted from what you previously quoted, if those agencies already hold part 90 licenses are are eligible to hold a part # license, the mobiles in those agencies can use them.
Mike
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The facts are:
1: Police can use unlicensed frequencies as they are apart of a government agency
2: The FCC won't do anything about "language" on any business or public safety frequency - don't believe it, contact the FCC! A ham operator is a different situation though. I guess the idea here being a public safety agency or business should be able to control their operators actions (#3).
3: it's up to the department using the equipment to enforce "their" rules on the use of those unlicensed transmitters, that includes who uses them, where they are used and HOW they are used.
4: As long as the communications are not interferring with public safety or business bands the FCC will not do anything.
V
1: Police can use unlicensed frequencies as they are apart of a government agency
2: The FCC won't do anything about "language" on any business or public safety frequency - don't believe it, contact the FCC! A ham operator is a different situation though. I guess the idea here being a public safety agency or business should be able to control their operators actions (#3).
3: it's up to the department using the equipment to enforce "their" rules on the use of those unlicensed transmitters, that includes who uses them, where they are used and HOW they are used.
4: As long as the communications are not interferring with public safety or business bands the FCC will not do anything.
V
As a side note, not all VE teams charge for testing. Most do to cover costs, but sometimes they hold special fee-free testing dates as well.
So yes, you could get a ham ticket completely free.....
So yes, you could get a ham ticket completely free.....
rdale
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Viper43 said:
Not a fact. Untrue.
Probably true. But that still doesn't make #1 valid, so your initial basis is still wrong.
As I am sitting here reading this forum and a PM from an ediot member I have realized that a website forum is not worth getting upset over. Someone somewhere will always view something in a different way, and there is no way to change there opinion. this is a thread that has drifted of topic, and it's sad that people want to argue over something so stupid. Lets get this thread back to the frequencies listed, and the people that have them. Program them in, and post your findings.
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