IMPD On Illegal tac frequencies 156Mhz

[Viper43]

Not a fact. Untrue.



Probably true. But that still doesn't make #1 valid, so your initial basis is still wrong.

rdale, I'd suggest you get your fact before posting because the fact is police CAN use frequencies they are unlicensed for as long as they are not interferring with the operations of other public safety comms and business radio.... thats per the FCC.
The department I worked at did it all the time, and still does. The FCC even suggested equipment for us to use for both transmitting on unlicensed frequencies and for monitoring other comms. There are more non police radios in use by police than you'd imagine, and it's legal.
Granted we didn't use this gear for BS sessions, we only used it for investigations. Each of the cars had 2 or 3 unlicensed frequency radios and then there was the van that had all kinds of radios stuffed in it. Basically we could communicate on any frequency from 25MHz to 1300MHz.
We were close to the Philadelphia field office and had easy access to them for recommendations, but it also meant we had to watch how we used the equipment to make sure we operated within the law. Now, with the way security is in the country you will probably find more unlicensed frequencies in use by PD's on operations.
On a side note, there is a group of IMPD officers who are licensed hams who have amature radios in their cars as well. I have talked to them on both 2m & 440.

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[rdale]

I'd LOVE to see the regulation :> Last person to make that claim posted the wrong section and deleted the parts which indicated that was invalid.

Not saying the FCC wouldn't tell you to do that - I'm saying it's not in the lawbooks.

 

[SCPD]

on the last page I posted the current FCC reg on pd use of freqs nation wide they are limited to and the current lic that IMPD can use they are NOT free to do what they want only if it is a National or major local emergency can they do that not reg chit chat also hams can use pd freqs if requested by pd in an emergency a good exsample a few years ago they helpd out MECA when the had a total failer of there system. Aslo look at the hurrcain that hit down south a few years ago as well when hams helped out.

 

[WA9JGB]

on the last page I posted the current FCC reg on pd use of freqs nation wide they are limited to and the current lic that IMPD can use they are NOT free to do what they want only if it is a National or major local emergency can they do that not reg chit chat also hams can use pd freqs if requested by pd in an emergency a good exsample a few years ago they helpd out MECA when the had a total failer of there system. Aslo look at the hurrcain that hit down south a few years ago as well when hams helped out.

[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 47, Volume 5]
[Revised as of October 1, 2003]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 47CFR97.403]

[Page 645]

TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION

COMMISSION (CONTINUED)

PART 97_AMATEUR RADIO SERVICE--Table of Contents

Subpart E_Providing Emergency Communications

Sec. 97.403 Safety of life and protection of property.

No provision of these rules prevents the use by an amateur station
of any means of radiocommunication at its disposal to provide essential
communication needs in connection with the immediate safety of human
life and immediate protection of property when normal communication
systems are not available.

See even the FCC does not specify what normal is. I would guess maybe a tornado that levels cell towers? I have all public safety frequencies programed into my dual band mobile and my HT's. I have used my Ham gear to talk to County dispatch on more than one occasion, but that was with permission. Violation??? Absolutely it is unless it is the last resort to save property or human life.

 

[rdale]

nascargrant - if you are saying that section allows the PD to use an unlicensed frequency just as a chat, you are WAY misreading this.

 

[pappy1]

nascargrant - if you are saying that section allows the PD to use an unlicensed frequency just as a chat, you are WAY misreading this.

That is correct, their normal systems are available.

 

[WA9JGB]

nascargrant - if you are saying that section allows the PD to use an unlicensed frequency just as a chat, you are WAY misreading this.

No im talking about the hams not IMPD.

 

[WA9JGB]

That is correct, their normal systems are available.

Im not talking about IMPD. Im just stating how different people read and take things differently.

 

[pappy1]

Oh; OK

 

[epulliam]

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I thought this was supposed to be fun. I say if they aren't interfering with anyone else, let them use those freqs. And im sure they got in REALLY BIG TROUBLE for talking on those freqs. And I'm also sure they used those radios with the mentality that they can do whatever on earth they want. Most people don't see the FCC as this big nasty arm of the law, and as long as they aren't causing problems by using these, I don't see why anyone should care, they are cops, they sit in a car most of the night when they aren't stopping real criminals from doing bad things that actually affect someone, give them a break. I really don't see why anyone in THIS group of people would object when that's exactly the stuff we want to listen to. So people here had to pay for licenses, we have to pay for our gas too, so mark it up as a small perk for putting up with the crap they do, it's not like anyone would hear any of this that isn't specifically looking for it. I think I'm going to write a nasty letter to the corp offices at McDonalds, because I have to pay for my Big Mac, and dammit so should they.

 

[mancow]

http://www.apcointl.org/frequency/documents/90.txt


(5) A Police licensee may use, without special authorization from
the Commission, any mobile service frequency between 40 and 952 MHz,
listed in paragraph (c)(3) of this section, for communications in
connection with physical surveillance, stakeouts, raids, and other such
activities. Such use shall be on a secondary basis to operations of
licensees regularly authorized

[[Page 271]]

on the assigned frequencies. The maximum output power that may be used
for such communications is 2 watts. Transmitters, operating under this
provision of the rules, shall be exempted from the station
identification requirements of Sec. 90.425. Use of frequencies not
designated by a ``PP'' in the coordinator column of the frequency table
in paragraph (c)(3) of this section, is conditional on the approval of
the coordinator corresponding to each frequency. Spread spectrum
transmitters may be operated on Public Safety Pool frequencies between
37 and 952 MHz, providing that they are certificated by the Commission
under the provisions of Sec. 2.803 of this chapter and Sec. 90.203,
and meet the following conditions:
(i) Frequency hopping transmitters can be operated, with a maximum
output power of 2 watts, on any Public Safety Pool frequency between 37
and 952 MHz listed in paragraph (c)(3) of this section. At least 20
hopping frequencies shall be used and the average time of occupancy on
any frequency shall not be greater than \1/10\ second in every 2
seconds;

 

[SCPD]

http://www.apcointl.org/frequency/documents/90.txt


(5) A Police licensee may use, without special authorization from
the Commission, any mobile service frequency between 40 and 952 MHz,
listed in paragraph (c)(3) of this section, for communications in
connection with physical surveillance, stakeouts, raids, and other such
activities. Such use shall be on a secondary basis to operations of
licensees regularly authorized

[[Page 271]]

on the assigned frequencies. The maximum output power that may be used
for such communications is 2 watts. Transmitters, operating under this
provision of the rules, shall be exempted from the station
identification requirements of Sec. 90.425. Use of frequencies not
designated by a ``PP'' in the coordinator column of the frequency table
in paragraph (c)(3) of this section, is conditional on the approval of
the coordinator corresponding to each frequency. Spread spectrum
transmitters may be operated on Public Safety Pool frequencies between
37 and 952 MHz, providing that they are certificated by the Commission
under the provisions of Sec. 2.803 of this chapter and Sec. 90.203,
and meet the following conditions:
(i) Frequency hopping transmitters can be operated, with a maximum
output power of 2 watts, on any Public Safety Pool frequency between 37
and 952 MHz listed in paragraph (c)(3) of this section. At least 20
hopping frequencies shall be used and the average time of occupancy on
any frequency shall not be greater than \1/10\ second in every 2
seconds;

It has already been posted and they still are Illegal they are using more than two watts and are chit chatting NOT operations when they are talking about they are police and do what they want rapping women and telling people to get off there freqs and other stuff using foul Language that is Illegal and if thats what people on this thread want to listen to I feel sorry for you and the press does scan the band I m sure IMPD would like some more bad press as it seems that they cant stay out of trouble. I used to look up to the IMPD and respect them but since the merger they have realy gone down hill. Murders DUI's bar fights who are they hireing now I mean come on. This thread is a mute point and way off topic now any way.

 

[Stephen]

I seem some really good points being made to reg on here and alot of anger being put in some of these threads my suggestion for some of you who may feel that this behavior is unacceptable would be to make some recordings of this comm activity and enclose a letter and send it to the command staff of the police department, and if that doesn't work the bureau of enforcement at the FCC. Now what I would not do in the letter is say that IMPD is operating due to as stated by many of the post on here they are chit chatting and not conducting official department investigative activity on these frequencies, but it can be stated that these are on duty IMPD officers using personnel equipment during on duty hours.

Just my two cents

 

[rdale]

http://www.apcointl.org/frequency/documents/90.txt


(5) A Police licensee may use, without special authorization from
the Commission, any mobile service frequency between 40 and 952 MHz,
listed in paragraph (c)(3) of this section

AGAIN - you stopped the BOLD part a little too soon... It doesn't say you can use any frequency in that range as some have blatantly said, it indicates that you can use any in that range AND IN THAT LIST.

Not the same. I still challenge the few remaining holdouts to find evidence of your claim...

 

[jerk]

It has already been posted and they still are Illegal they are using more than two watts and are chit chatting NOT operations when they are talking about they are police and do what they want rapping women and telling people to get off there freqs and other stuff using foul Language that is Illegal and if thats what people on this thread want to listen to I feel sorry for you and the press does scan the band

How do you know they are using more than two watts? You can’t tell just by listening. Or maybe you can, but I need a watt meter and test equipment myself.

Chit-chatting also goes on with Trunking with I-call type calls; And in some conventional systems using a talk-around channel it happens quite often. And For the police that you are hearing, this could be “operations” as Police, Fire, EMS quite often discuss the calls they’ve been on with each other in their own group.

Some people like to listen to trash, and some like to read the National Enquirer. There is always an off button, you don’t have to program the frequencies, and you could always report the issue to the IMPD leadership and the FCC. Have you reported this yet? Bottom line, you don’t have to listen.

Call the “press” and give them the frequencies, and see if they do a story. They have done so in the past.

I’m sure IMPD would like some more bad press as it seems that they cant stay out of trouble. I used to look up to the IMPD and respect them but since the merger they have realy gone down hill. Murders DUI's bar fights who are they hireing now I mean come on. This thread is a mute point and way off topic now any way.

Maybe they would like more bad press, I somehow doubt it. But really, is your method of going about it the right way to address the issue. Indy Metro has had problems with crime, and you’ve focused on an issue the ranks of low importance with the leadership I’m sure. Yes crime is crime, but which one affects you the most, certainly it’s not radio transmissions. (Though they make you mad). There are other issues they City needs to deal with. And I would think you would be encouraging them to do so.

And I often wonder when someone complains about who an agency hires. Have you run for office? Have you asked to be on any committees? Have you written any letters of complaint? Or are you one that “tried out” and failed the test or were rejected for other reasons.

AL

 

[stevecubfan]

ediot ? the defense rests.

 

[Astro25]

Who cares? Really?

Are they interfering with your frequencies that you use?

They're doing their job. They may be illegally using frequencies, oh well. But as long as they're not interfering with anyone..... I see no reason to get so upset over something so trivial.

 

[BigDog-911]

Suggestion to Law Enforcement thinking of breaking the "law" in Indiana

I have but one word to say to any Law Enforcement officials that might be reading this and thinking of using "illegal" frequencies so that the scanner police won't beat you with a rubber duckie.


SCRAMBLED....I like my radios like I like my eggs!!!!

From south of the real border...The Ohio River...

 

[shaft]

Are you kidding? The FCC charges a fee for the test, but you can't get the license without passing the test. Get your crap together before posting something so stupid. Tell me a place where you can get your Ham ticket for free??????

Hamvention

 

[WA9JGB]

Hamvention

It still cost you $20.00 in advance to even get in the door. Keep going and you just might prove your point. As I have said ten times on this forum it is almost impossible to find any organization to conduct testing for free.