Is it time to unload mobiles & repeaters?

[Daniel_Boone]

If you read part 97 of the FCC code, it is illegal to modify a radio to operate it on the amateur bands.

The problem is - there are already so many radios that has been modified illegally - that they just don't care anymore and they just don't enforce the rules anymore.

Most repeaters are built using old " " cop car and fire truck radios.
The Motorola Micor is one example of that.
Makes a excellent repeater radio.

The truth be told, you are probably better off using the GMRS and the Land Mobile Radio Service - because you don't have to use your call signs every 10 minutes and you can do as you please - with in reason and not get into any trouble - even if you cuss or say something you shouldn't - because you own the repeater.

The Amateur radio - there is a repeater owner that owns the repeater - but everyone is listening and it wouldn't take much for someone to drop a dime on you and turn you in.
There is actually people who has tape recorders next to their radios and radio's connected to their computers and they tape all radio activity.

What more can I say - they have too much time on their hands.

 

[n5ims]

If you read part 97 of the FCC code, it is illegal to modify a radio to operate it on the amateur bands.

Here's the link (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2009-title47-vol5/pdf/CFR-2009-title47-vol5-part97.pdf), please show me where it states that "it is illegal to modify a radio to operate it on the amateur bands". The closest thing to this are parts 97.315 and 97.317 which specifically talk about external RF power amplifiers.

97.315 states that external RF power amps must be certified (as described in section 37.317) if they're capable of operation below 144 MHz. It further states "No amplifier capable of operation below 144 MHz may be constructed or modified by a non-amateur service licensee without a grant of certification from the FCC." [emphasis added]. It further states that "(b) The requirement of paragraph (a) does not apply if one or more of the following conditions are met: (1) The amplifier is constructed or modified by an amateur radio operator for use at an amateur station."

This would indicate that according to the FCC, not only can a licensed amateur modify their own radio (which no certification is required), but they can even modify an external amplifier (but only for use at a licensed amateur radio station) that otherwise would require certification to be legal.

It would be perfectly legal for a ham to modify a standard CB radio to allow them to use it on the nearby 10 meter band (although it would no longer be certified to be used on the CB bands after that modification), but it would be illegal to modify a 10 meter ham radio for use on the CB band.

 

[b7spectra]

Ruh-Ro! Be very careful when you say "that they just don't care anymore and they just don't enforce the rules anymore" as the SAPS will have you for dinner! Remember - THEIR opinion is all that matters.

 

[zz0468]

If you read part 97 of the FCC code, it is illegal to modify a radio to operate it on the amateur bands.

I'll second the motion to declare that this is wrong. There is nothing within Part 97 to prohibit modifying a radio to operate it in the ham bands.

 

[zz0468]

Ruh-Ro! Be very careful when you say "that they just don't care anymore and they just don't enforce the rules anymore" as the SAPS will have you for dinner! Remember - THEIR opinion is all that matters.

So says the self-appointed SAP police. :roll:

 

[home121]

not to worry

Don't worry about it,enjoy your radio hobby.

 

[Token]

Here's the link (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2009-title47-vol5/pdf/CFR-2009-title47-vol5-part97.pdf), please show me where it states that "it is illegal to modify a radio to operate it on the amateur bands". The closest thing to this are parts 97.315 and 97.317 which specifically talk about external RF power amplifiers.

97.315 states that external RF power amps must be certified (as described in section 37.317) if they're capable of operation below 144 MHz. It further states "No amplifier capable of operation below 144 MHz may be constructed or modified by a non-amateur service licensee without a grant of certification from the FCC." [emphasis added]. It further states that "(b) The requirement of paragraph (a) does not apply if one or more of the following conditions are met: (1) The amplifier is constructed or modified by an amateur radio operator for use at an amateur station."

This would indicate that according to the FCC, not only can a licensed amateur modify their own radio (which no certification is required), but they can even modify an external amplifier (but only for use at a licensed amateur radio station) that otherwise would require certification to be legal.

It would be perfectly legal for a ham to modify a standard CB radio to allow them to use it on the nearby 10 meter band (although it would no longer be certified to be used on the CB bands after that modification), but it would be illegal to modify a 10 meter ham radio for use on the CB band.

hehe...a very cornerstone of amateur radio is experimentation, often taking off-the-shelf military, commercial, or other service hardware and finding new and interesting uses for it on ham bands. I think the first TX I did not build from scratch was a modified (to make it rock bound) ART-13, and my first VHF rig was certainly something that started life as a public service unit.

I am breaking out the pop-corn on this one, it should prove entertaining. Or more likely, simply no response.

T!

 

[SCPD]

Daniel Boone,

Yes you have to ID on GMRS every 15 mins and no you can't cuss on the radio because you own the repeater,you have to abide by part 95 rules go read them,where did you come up with this?

 

[b7spectra]

So says the self-appointed SAP police. :roll:

SAPS, not SAP! Self Appointed Police & Sheriff's!

Guess you can tell I'm a Republican!

 

[zz0468]

SAPS, not SAP! Self Appointed Police & Sheriff's!

LOL... I sit corrected.

Guess you can tell I'm a Republican!

And you're proud of that?

 

[lbfd09]

Is a school considered a business? GARY N4KVE

They are in the eyes of being a radio user - either a Business or a Government Agency. And when on business bands unless granted otherwise I think business.


BUT - again only an OBSERVATION and not legal opinion nor advise.... (Ya gotta go find and pay someone for that.)

 

[W2NJS]

"If you read part 97 of the FCC code, it is illegal to modify a radio to operate it on the amateur bands."
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Statements such as this should be moderated, challenged, and debunked before some impressionable newbie sees it and believes it. It's pure baloney and most of us realize that, but you can do a lot of damage by saying such wild and crazy things. Fact is that a ham is free pretty much to do anything he wants as far as building a receiver, transmitter, or transceiver and then putting it on the air where he's licensed to operate. Some of the stuff that appears on this website makes me gag when I see it.

 

[UberGeek]

Yes, it's time to unload all of your GMRS stuff. I will be able to take it off your hands. Of course, since it's all going license free, I wont be able to offer much for it, since I wont be able to use it either.

Of course, I'm just trying to help you out

 

[UberGeek]

If you read part 97 of the FCC code, it is illegal to modify a radio to operate it on the amateur bands.

Really? Really?

I'll make sure I let the FCC know about my Motorola Part 95 radios that I programmed for the Part 97 bands...

 

[Robinsmark]

Completely In Agreement With You

"If you read part 97 of the FCC code, it is illegal to modify a radio to operate it on the amateur bands."
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Statements such as this should be moderated, challenged, and debunked before some impressionable newbie sees it and believes it. It's pure baloney and most of us realize that, but you can do a lot of damage by saying such wild and crazy things. Fact is that a ham is free pretty much to do anything he wants as far as building a receiver, transmitter, or transceiver and then putting it on the air where he's licensed to operate. Some of the stuff that appears on this website makes me gag when I see it.

I cannot count how many times I have been to ham fests and seen guys yakking on their Motorola SABER
portables that they have programmed for 2 meters or 440! Some hams even consider this kind of a status
symbol.

 

[N4KVE]

I cannot count how many times I have been to ham fests and seen guys yakking on their Motorola SABER
portables that they have programmed for 2 meters or 440! Some hams even consider this kind of a status
symbol.

Back in the '90's maybe. Now the status symbol is the XTS5000, 2500, or even the APX. Of course the FPP keypad programmable version. GARY N4KVE

 

[xts3000r]

and the now 200-350 $$$ xts3000 with p25

 

[b7spectra]

Back in the '90's maybe. Now the status symbol is the XTS5000, 2500, or even the APX. Of course the FPP keypad programmable version. GARY N4KVE

I love my XTS2500 with FPP! Don't forget the JT1000's!

 

[n3qam]

I second that ........

 

[reedeb]

If you read part 97 of the FCC code, it is illegal to modify a radio to operate it on the amateur bands.

The problem is - there are already so many radios that has been modified illegally - that they just don't care anymore and they just don't enforce the rules anymore.

Most repeaters are built using old " " cop car and fire truck radios.
The Motorola Micor is one example of that.
Makes a excellent repeater radio.

The truth be told, you are probably better off using the GMRS and the Land Mobile Radio Service - because you don't have to use your call signs every 10 minutes and you can do as you please - with in reason and not get into any trouble - even if you cuss or say something you shouldn't - because you own the repeater.

The Amateur radio - there is a repeater owner that owns the repeater - but everyone is listening and it wouldn't take much for someone to drop a dime on you and turn you in.
There is actually people who has tape recorders next to their radios and radio's connected to their computers and they tape all radio activity.

What more can I say - they have too much time on their hands.

BS!! BS!! BS!!

I had a Fire radio many years ago that I had ham freqs installed as well as the fire freqs. The guy who did it was the tech for the radio shop, ALSO a ham, ALSO a VE!! IF it was illegal he'd NEVER had done it.