knewood tk-2180 wx tone help

[Wrench1]

Hello I have a tk-2180 that i have with my all day and i am wondering if it is possible to set it up to recive/alert on the 1050 tone for weathr alerts. any help would be great.

Thanks,
Ryan

 

[SCPD]

I don't think so.

Not unless you listen to that channel all the time. then you can set it to decode the tone but I'm not sure of the range of the tones that it will decode.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this one.

 

[code3cowboy]

Sure ya can. Set your option signaling to "2 tone x" and in zone edit your "audio control" to AT/DQT or option signaling. Then go into the 2 tone menu and in the tab you choose "x" select "Long A" and put 1050 in the window.

 

[Wrench1]

now will that keep the channel muted untill the tone sets. Also any way of putting that channel into a scan list. I am new to 2-tone set up.

 

[CCEMS703]

is that the "same code" that you put into the 2-tone if so mine is listed on the NWR website as 21035 so would i just put in 1035?

 

[code3cowboy]

If you want the channel to unsquelch only when an alert is broadcast, make your screen look like the on in the PDF.

The radio will only receive the weather channel when it is scanning or locked onto the weather channel AND the 1050 tone is transmitted OR you are in monitor.

You can add the channel to your scan list, but it will only unsquelch if the radio is hearing that channel when the tone is transmitted.

The SAME encoding is different and only for weather radios. The 1050hz tone is transmitted after any SAME endcoding and will cause the radio to alert.

 

[ramal121]

SAME encoding targets specific geographic areas (and radios), hence the many SAME codes. The TK-2180 will not decode these. It will decode the general weather alert tone of 1050Hz to any radio that can receive its signal.

Code3cowboy is correct that set as long A,and 1050 is entered as A, this will work. If I can be a busy-body, you can select decode A-B and set both tones to 1050Hz. Either way will work.

To decode properly, you will have to be monitoring that channel by itself, or in scan, it needs to be the priority channel. Non-priority channels will not decode due to the break-up of the priority channel sample drop out.

 

[Wrench1]

I set the weather tone up. And I am haveing two problems. When I am scanning the radio stops on the weather channel and is reciveing all the time but you cant hear what it is reciveing. And i am not sure that they did a test today but I had the radio on and not in scan just on the weather chanel with the tone and I never heard the noon test?

Any ideas.

 

[ramal121]

When I am scanning the radio stops on the weather channel and is reciveing all the time but you cant hear what it is reciveing.

I can't speak from doing this, but let me pontificate. Scanning on a TK-2180 goes something like this. With channel "A" that has QT decode programmed and no other signaling squelch enabled the sequence is something like this:

1) Channel A has no activity, scan continues.
2) Channel A has activity, scan stops and QT is checked. QT matches and speaker is unmuted.
3) Channel A has activity, scan stops and QT is checked. QT does not match. The channel is now flagged.
Scan continues. On each cycle of the scan list, if activity is present, the channel is bypassed
(it assumes it still has the wrong QT). When activity on channel stops the scan sees this. It take three
(I think) passes of the scan list without activity to reset the flag and the scan will stop on the next carrier
of channel A to check QT again.This is done to keep the scan speed up. It takes time to stop and check QT.

You can see how this works on fast continuous data like QT/DQT and I suppose LTR. I would not make sense with two tone.

Your WX channel has no QT, just two tone. It is a constant carrier. Your radio stops scan because there is no QT mismatch to disqualify it and continue scan. However without the tone, the signaling squelch condition is not met and the speaker remains muted. Sorry but methinks scanning the WX channel just won't work.

 

[SB-Wi]

Scan Workaround

I can't speak from doing this, but let me pontificate. Scanning on a TK-2180 goes something like this. With channel "A" that has QT decode programmed and no other signaling squelch enabled the sequence is something like this:

1) Channel A has no activity, scan continues.
2) Channel A has activity, scan stops and QT is checked. QT matches and speaker is unmuted.
3) Channel A has activity, scan stops and QT is checked. QT does not match. The channel is now flagged. Scan continues. On each cycle of the scan list, if activity is present, the channel is bypassed (it assumes it still has the wrong QT). When activity on channel stops the scan sees this. It take three (I think) passes of the scan list without activity to reset the flag and the scan will stop on the next carrier of channel A to check QT again.This is done to keep the scan speed up. It takes time to stop and check QT.

You can see how this works on fast continuous data like QT/DQT and I suppose LTR. I would not make sense with two tone.

Your WX channel has no QT, just two tone. It is a constant carrier. Your radio stops scan because there is no QT mismatch to disqualify it and continue scan. However without the tone, the signaling squelch condition is not met and the speaker remains muted. Sorry but methinks scanning the WX channel just won't work.

Could you assign a random QT tone to the weather channel with the following Zone settings which would skip the continuous carrier but still unmute for the 1050 tone?
Optional Signaling Decode Condition to "Carrier"
Audio Control to "QT/DQT or Optional Signaling"

 

[searchrescueff]

You cannot put a channel into your scan list if it does not have a qt/dqt and is constantly transmitting. As with this case of it being a wx channel, the radio will always stop on that channel, REGARDLESS of what you do in terms of putting an alert tone or qt/dqt (which won't work anyways with those channels being carrier squelch only) on it. I've set up the alert tone on my 2180 I had. A screen capture of what I had to do in order to get it to work has been attached.

If you will notice, I did arrange all the pertaining windows so that I got everything into one shot. Don't hesitate to message me for further help if you need to. Hope this helps you out.