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Right now all I have are the fire/ems talkgroup ID's. According to the county's plan, sheriff office dispatch is supposed to be unencrypted. However I don't have the talkgroup ID yet.

As of right now only EMS calls are being simulcast over the 45101 talkgroup on the 700MHz system. Fire is still using the VHF system.
 

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HIPAA does not apply to emergency communications. There are specific exemptions in the regulations that implement the law.

HIPAA does not apply to law enforcement agencies unless they provide paid medical services, such as a police operated EMS system. Even then, the law would only apply to the people who provided those services.

Agencies that use HIPAA as an excuse to encrypt radio transmissions are either misinformed or lying to the public.

I agree completely. And I'm not saying that the county officially used this excuse...but it is the only reason I can come up with as to why they went encrypted on EMS calls. They are probably mis-informed like a lot of other places in the country that encrypt in the name of HIPAA.

From an internet search on the subject:

Question: Why don’t you use encryption? Doesn’t HIPAA require it?

The majority of radio users in our surrounding counties have radios without encryption capability. In order to provide interoperable communications and the potential capability for our neighbors to communicate with hospitals on the BRICS network, we did not use encryption. No, it is not required by HIPAA. The Department of Health and Human Services states that the HIPAA privacy rule does not require encryption of wireless or other emergency medical radio communications which can be intercepted by scanners.

Source: HIPAA Incidental Uses and Disclosures (PDF)
 
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Is Lancaster Sheriff Department still on VHF?

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Also just noticed Lancaster City FD using OPS 5 on the P25 system testing their apparatus radios and Knox Box key releases.
 

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I am trying to program the new Lancaster Trunk system into my PRO-197 scanner using ARC500. The the type of the system I am not sure what to use. Do I use Mot 800/900, P25 Manual, or P25 Auto? I know Lancaster is a 700 system and I am to use the control channel of 773.66875 so doubt it is the 800/900 option. Are there any other quirks I should know about? Thanks, Bill
 

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I am trying to program the new Lancaster Trunk system into my PRO-197 scanner using ARC500. The the type of the system I am not sure what to use. Do I use Mot 800/900, P25 Manual, or P25 Auto? I know Lancaster is a 700 system and I am to use the control channel of 773.66875 so doubt it is the 800/900 option. Are there any other quirks I should know about? Thanks, Bill

When you first log in using the RR button to import you select the state, then county. Next click on the "Trunked Systems" button and the "Trunked Systems" pull-down list becomes active. On that pull-down list select the "Palmetto (P25) / Project 25 / Phase 1" selection. Then look for the Lancaster selection for frequencies and agencies. Right now, the only agencies available for selection on the Palmetto P25 system is Fire & EMS.
 

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Use P25 Auto for all Palmetto P25 sites, regardless of 700MHz or 800MHz. If they had UHF or VHF sites, you'd use the same system type.
 

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I am finally listening to the new system I can’t figure out when we talk group
I am currently listening to unit number 45050
 

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If you dig through the regulations that were used to implement HIPAA, you'll find the exact wording. I didn't have to because I have a friend who is both a lawyer and a paramedic. He did the research.

20 years after the law was passed, there is still a lot of misinformation out there.

Back to scanner. Lancaster Sheriff is going to move to the Palmetto system, and use encryption?

What about Lancaster City?

I'll be there in a couple of weeks, and am trying to update my SC Favorites Lists for Lancaster and York Counties.

Thanks.

I agree completely. And I'm not saying that the county officially used this excuse...but it is the only reason I can come up with as to why they went encrypted on EMS calls. They are probably mis-informed like a lot of other places in the country that encrypt in the name of HIPAA.

From an internet search on the subject:

Question: Why don’t you use encryption? Doesn’t HIPAA require it?

The majority of radio users in our surrounding counties have radios without encryption capability. In order to provide interoperable communications and the potential capability for our neighbors to communicate with hospitals on the BRICS network, we did not use encryption. No, it is not required by HIPAA. The Department of Health and Human Services states that the HIPAA privacy rule does not require encryption of wireless or other emergency medical radio communications which can be intercepted by scanners.

Source: HIPAA Incidental Uses and Disclosures (PDF)
 

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Lancaster Co (SC) Sheriff Dispatch is TG 45050. I did this by matching two scanners, one on the old system and one on the new P25 system. As feared 45050 is encrypted. A deputy also told me that all Lancaster County Sheriff transmissions will be encrypted.
 

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That's too bad, but not unexpected.

Lancaster Co (SC) Sheriff Dispatch is TG 45050. I did this by matching two scanners, one on the old system and one on the new P25 system. As feared 45050 is encrypted. A deputy also told me that all Lancaster County Sheriff transmissions will be encrypted.
 
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Encryption is a sign of weakness

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I wonder about Lancaster, SC PD. At one time, I understand they actually ran a live feed of their radio traffic on their web site.

I know in the late 70's - mid 80's they used inversion scrambling. Everbody had a decoder back then, myself included.
 
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Looks like Greenville County SD talk groups are encrypted as well imagine that but when they on 460 they we're in the clear for all those years and up to just recently they still had those mt2000 radios that's one reason why I didn't like the switch over it is what it is

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The (partially) encrypted Greenville County Sheriff talkgroups are not dispatch talkgroups. Their primary patrol communications are still on UHF and still in the clear. These talkgroups are used for purposes that deserve encryption, much like the previous GCSO talkgroups on Palmetto 800 were used.

I clearly misinterpreted the new Greenville County tax that was recently passed to pay for radio system and dispatch upgrades. Apparently that's only applying to fire departments? I'm told that GCSO and GC EMS will stay on UHF for now. If that's not correct, I'd appreciate someone with more detailed knowledge chiming in. There are now active talkgroups on Palmetto 800 for some fire departments.
 
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