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The Request for Proposals were delivered last week. They came in real big boxes. Needless to say it will take some time to go over the proposals. If I hit the Powerball this evening, I'd say its a done deal. Otherwise, we'll just have to wait and see.
Well I hope it's a type 2 system because as I understand it with type 2 systems you don't have to know every frequency in a system just the control channels and the scanner does the rest.
Bluegrass1dcr1 said:
Project 25 systems are the same..
Mayor asking for Money for MetroSafe
I saw on the news the Mayor was asking for 12 million plus dollars to fund complete Metro Safe. He also said Public Safety makes of msot of the projected budget.
So hopefully they be getting some more work done on the system adn radios ordered.
AL
I saw on the news the Mayor was asking for 12 million plus dollars to fund complete Metro Safe. He also said Public Safety makes of msot of the projected budget.
So hopefully they be getting some more work done on the system adn radios ordered.
AL
Well I hope they don't start using the new system too soon because it's going to take me a while to save up enough money to get a digital capable scanner.
News Update Latest
The mayor said Louisville's location on three major interstates and the Ohio River's McAlpine Locks means it could affect the nation's ability to move goods, people and military equipment in the event of a national emergency.
The city will use the money be build communication towers and to install the "backbone" of the new communication system that he expects to be fully operational in early 2008.
So far, the city has amassed $46 million in federal, state and local funds to upgrade technology for police, fire and other emergency providers, with most of the money going to the MetroSafe system.
The new communication system will allow all emergency responders to be on the same system, as well as increase the capabilities of computer displays in police cruisers.
Louisville received $8.52 million yesterday, a 70 percent increase over the $5 million it received last year.newsalan said:
The mayor said Louisville's location on three major interstates and the Ohio River's McAlpine Locks means it could affect the nation's ability to move goods, people and military equipment in the event of a national emergency.
The city will use the money be build communication towers and to install the "backbone" of the new communication system that he expects to be fully operational in early 2008.
So far, the city has amassed $46 million in federal, state and local funds to upgrade technology for police, fire and other emergency providers, with most of the money going to the MetroSafe system.
The new communication system will allow all emergency responders to be on the same system, as well as increase the capabilities of computer displays in police cruisers.
The date I've been hearing was early 2007 so I guess it's going to take a little longer then they expected to get everything going. But that's fine with me because it's going to take me til early 2008 to figure out how to work Uniden's handheld digital scanner. Have you seen the manual for that thing, it's 250 something pages long. Even if half is in english and half in spainish that's still one big A** manual.
nofdexplorer406
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MetroSafe Makes front page of Courier-Journal 6/7/06
Motorola inc. gave Louisville Metro a price of $59 Million Dollars to build towers and install equipment at the planned MetroSafe Dispatch center.
See the Full Story in the june 7th issue of Courier-journal online
Link: http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060607/NEWS01/606070423
I think Motorola inc. is the top of the line equipment and services. Why argue the price for good quality service and products. If you want the system to cover 95% of Louisville Metro it is going to come at a hefty price. I think this is something that should be non-negotiable because we need the coverage for the Emergency Personnel. Settling down for something less or lower in quality could result in the worse can senario of a life of a firest-responder, firefighter, EMt, or a police officer. At a time like this in life when the crime rate is up we have a subject thats going to carry a price and is non-negotiable.
Phillip Garrett
(C) 502-662-1087
(DC) 183*426*7443
E-Mail: cfrdstation3ff@bellsouth.net
Motorola inc. gave Louisville Metro a price of $59 Million Dollars to build towers and install equipment at the planned MetroSafe Dispatch center.
See the Full Story in the june 7th issue of Courier-journal online
Link: http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060607/NEWS01/606070423
I think Motorola inc. is the top of the line equipment and services. Why argue the price for good quality service and products. If you want the system to cover 95% of Louisville Metro it is going to come at a hefty price. I think this is something that should be non-negotiable because we need the coverage for the Emergency Personnel. Settling down for something less or lower in quality could result in the worse can senario of a life of a firest-responder, firefighter, EMt, or a police officer. At a time like this in life when the crime rate is up we have a subject thats going to carry a price and is non-negotiable.
Phillip Garrett
(C) 502-662-1087
(DC) 183*426*7443
E-Mail: cfrdstation3ff@bellsouth.net
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I don't think the shooting issue is CAD related. The cold, hard and cruel facts of life are that the public is unwilling to pay the costs of adding more ambulances so that response time will always be short. Until that happens, when you have 20 ambulances making 18 runs, the remaining two will be long way from some place.
I'm presuming you are talking about the child who was shot and the police's choice to transport her to the hospital, rather than waiting for EMS (which I think was the right call in that judgment situation).
I think the real culprit was the lack of communication capacity and institutional parochialism. If I was King Of The World, I'd decree that police, fire and EMS have all agencies frequencies in their radios. If you are in a life or death situation and need to know where the ______ is, switch to their channel and ask them. Don't go through your dispatcher, who talks to their dispatcher, who calls them, then their dispatcher replies to your dispatcher, who then tells you. There are several links in that communications chain, and we know how strong chains are.
That would have to be a Kingly decree, because of the mind-set "This is MY channel, all you others stay off it."
Around Louisville, if that was to happen, there would be an improvement, but not complete, because of the UHF and VHF systems.
While the moto-bridge could set up a link, it takes a moment or two to set it up. It's not used all that often, so I'm betting there may be the "How do I do that again?" situation. Bridging channels is only good for long-duration matters where it can be set up before they begin. For an immediate emergency situations police, fire and EMS need to have each others frequencies or talk-groups in their radios and have some faith in their judgment in using them.
I'm presuming you are talking about the child who was shot and the police's choice to transport her to the hospital, rather than waiting for EMS (which I think was the right call in that judgment situation).
I think the real culprit was the lack of communication capacity and institutional parochialism. If I was King Of The World, I'd decree that police, fire and EMS have all agencies frequencies in their radios. If you are in a life or death situation and need to know where the ______ is, switch to their channel and ask them. Don't go through your dispatcher, who talks to their dispatcher, who calls them, then their dispatcher replies to your dispatcher, who then tells you. There are several links in that communications chain, and we know how strong chains are.
That would have to be a Kingly decree, because of the mind-set "This is MY channel, all you others stay off it."
Around Louisville, if that was to happen, there would be an improvement, but not complete, because of the UHF and VHF systems.
While the moto-bridge could set up a link, it takes a moment or two to set it up. It's not used all that often, so I'm betting there may be the "How do I do that again?" situation. Bridging channels is only good for long-duration matters where it can be set up before they begin. For an immediate emergency situations police, fire and EMS need to have each others frequencies or talk-groups in their radios and have some faith in their judgment in using them.
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ofd8001 said:
Metro Nashville probably has one of the largest and most impressive systems in the country, but agencies never communicate directly. Even with major events when "unified commands" are set up, the police and fire departments set up separate "unified command" talkgroups which seems to negate the unified aspect. It seems funny to me that agencies argue that they need to be able to talk with other agenices, but when they get the equipment that allows them to do so they don't utilize the technology.
bg_nashville said:
I think the use of "funny" is charitable. I would use something implying a lesser degree of intelligence.
The scenario I was mentioning was a 2 year child who was gun shot. The cops were on the scene right away. They wanted to know the ambulance's ETA. When they could not get a straight answer, they took her to the hospital in a police car.
By and large I understand why each agency has it's "own" talkgroup/channel even in those major unified events. But when in a life or death situation and one conversation is all it is, then talk directly to who will give you an answer or needs to know the information.
Does anybody know why Jefferson county fire has been dispatching individual units on some calls instead of dispatching the whole department like they have done in the past? The other day I heard JeffCoFire put out a call but instead of saying " attention ________fire respond to a..." they put it out like " Attention unit __31, unit __33, unit __51 respond to a...." I've never heard them do that before, can anyone tell me why they did it?
A little over half of the fire departments wanted to try unit dispatching versus station dispatching as part of the new Intergraph CAD. Supposedly the reason behind it was to give instructions to the CAD if a given unit was not available because of being on and incident, and therefore going down to the next available unit.
This has had its bugs, like anything else. Whether this will be the way of the future for all departments remains to be seen.
It makes it more difficult for the casual scanner listener, because he or she will have to know the department identifiers in other to know which fire department is being alerted.
This has had its bugs, like anything else. Whether this will be the way of the future for all departments remains to be seen.
It makes it more difficult for the casual scanner listener, because he or she will have to know the department identifiers in other to know which fire department is being alerted.
Well I already know how the unit number system works but I don't have the dep't numbers memorized.I know that okolona's number is 80 and Highview's is 11 and Fairdale's is 90. I know that units with 30 series unit numbers are engines, 50's are trucks, 70's are brush units, 80's are rescue units and 90's are special use units.
I apologize for the formatting, I couldn't get it to work, or couldn't figure it out.
SUBURBAN FIRE ONE SUBURBAN FIRE TWO SUBURBAN FIRE THREE
Anchorage 20 Buechel 37 Dixie Suburban 30
Eastwood 77 Camp Taylor 50 Fairdale 90
Harrods Creek 12 Fern Creek 71 Lake Dreamland 40
Jeffersontown 33 Highview 11 Pleasure Ridge Park 20
Lyndon 16 Okolona 80
McMahan 55
Middletown 99
St. Matthews 26
Worthington 18
THIRD DIGIT – TYPE OF APPARATUS FOURTH DIGIT – APPARATUS NUMBER
0 - Chief Officer 01 - Always Fire Chief of the District
1 - Misc. Personnel/Officers 09 - On Duty Incident Commander
2 - Engine Company
3 - Engine Company
4 - Quad Combinations
5 - Truck Company: Aerial, Snorkel, Elevating Platform
Ladder Tower, Tele-Squrt, ETC.
6 - Water Tanker
7 - Brush Fire Unit
8 - Heavy or Light Squad, Ambulance
9 - Service, Utility or Special Purpose Vehicle
SUBURBAN FIRE ONE SUBURBAN FIRE TWO SUBURBAN FIRE THREE
Anchorage 20 Buechel 37 Dixie Suburban 30
Eastwood 77 Camp Taylor 50 Fairdale 90
Harrods Creek 12 Fern Creek 71 Lake Dreamland 40
Jeffersontown 33 Highview 11 Pleasure Ridge Park 20
Lyndon 16 Okolona 80
McMahan 55
Middletown 99
St. Matthews 26
Worthington 18
THIRD DIGIT – TYPE OF APPARATUS FOURTH DIGIT – APPARATUS NUMBER
0 - Chief Officer 01 - Always Fire Chief of the District
1 - Misc. Personnel/Officers 09 - On Duty Incident Commander
2 - Engine Company
3 - Engine Company
4 - Quad Combinations
5 - Truck Company: Aerial, Snorkel, Elevating Platform
Ladder Tower, Tele-Squrt, ETC.
6 - Water Tanker
7 - Brush Fire Unit
8 - Heavy or Light Squad, Ambulance
9 - Service, Utility or Special Purpose Vehicle
Thanks for the info but I think PRP's number is 22 not 20 as you also put Anchorage's number down as 20. But again thanks a lot!
Yup you are right, the numbers were goofed up. I cut and pasted them from the SOP, but I must have messed them up when trying to format it.
Is there any info on how the fleets and talkgroups will be setup?
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