MICCOM DMR Operations

[lion2479]

St Clare's DMR-New Frequencies ???

"It looks like their under the license WPQD938. There are a couple other frequencies with MotoTRBO voice emissions. Namely 463.8500 (already known) 464.2375 464.2625 for repeaters. 468.8500 469.2375 469.2625 for mobiles."

Scott,
Can you advise if the Color Code and TS slots 1 or 2 are being used on these two repeaters, just like on 463.850. I am in Monmouth County, close to the Driscoll Bridge and I am able to pick up the signal on my XPR-6550 using repeater 464.2375. However; it appears I cannot hear anything using 8 and 1. I also have the same problem with repeater 464.2625. Forget about 463.850, absolutely nothing. I don't even get the control channel sound on an analog FT-60 receiver, but I pick it up on the other two frequencies so I know I am close.

I have the following set in my radio to monitor.....MICCOM St. Clare's - TG 10005000 - TS1
Atlantic EMS - TG 16000000 - TS2, but hear nothing using the above information.


Any help would be appreciated and thank you for your hard work on this project!!!!

 

[W2SJW]

They probably do not operate on those other frequencies, regardless of who actually owns the license for them. The 463.850 channel is most likely just for NW NJ, as I've also been able to hear that channel on my ID-880 quite a ways up Rt. 15.

I can almost bet all the idle channel data that comes across the frequency means it's linked to other repeaters via IPSiteConnect. It's now up to you guys in other areas to figure them out!

 

[W2SJW]

The thing of it is MICCOM using DMR for OPERATIONS vs DISPATCH

Yep, it was stated a few years ago that only St. Clare's units use the channel, and their MedEvac uses OneVoice for company comms. I wonder how many other unit areas will be switched over to DMR over time...

 

[NotATechGuy]

So I did a little investigation and using my SDR and XPR5550. I found out here in Morris County the frequency and CC (I don't know how) are different. I picked up all the talkgroups as listed in OPs first post. St. Clares is coming in loud and clear and pretty active.

Frequency 463.95000 CC 10 TS 1
Contacts/Group Call/Talkgroup
St. Clare's - 10005000

CC 10 TS 2
Atlantic EMS - 16000000
Hackettstown RMC EMS - 11002000

I will report back if I get any more information.

 

[W2SJW]

This is an awesome catch! I am working in Morris County today myself, and when I stopped for lunch in Rockaway I noticed I hardly was able to receive signal on my 750 on the 463.850 channel.

The sheer amount of idle channel data that comes across these frequencies makes me think more that they are part of a yet-unidentified TRS, and not just stand-alone repeaters linked via SiteConnect. The other two agencies should be on TS2...

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[NotATechGuy]

There is A LOT of idle data coming though on that frequency and some other color codes are popping up in addition to CC 10. When I get a chance to sort through the log I'll post what I find.

 

[W2SJW]

I passed this info to a friend last night that was able to receive both channels, and he confirmed getting CC8 on 463.950, not CC10. Can you re-check your logs?

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[NotATechGuy]

I passed this info to a friend last night that was able to receive both channels, and he confirmed getting CC8 on 463.950, not CC10. Can you re-check your logs?

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Here is a snippet of my logs. CC10 works on my XPR 5550.

2016.01.07 14:28:45 Activity update: Slot1=Group Voice Slot2=No Activity
2016.01.07 14:28:45 +DMR slot2 BS DATA CC=10 Idle
2016.01.07 14:28:45 +DMR slot1 BS VC6
2016.01.07 14:28:45 +DMR slot2 BS DATA CC=10 Idle
2016.01.07 14:28:45 +DMR slot1 BS DATA CC=10 TLC CommEnd Tgt=10005000 Src=10006100
2016.01.07 14:28:45 [FLCO=0 FID=0 v8=00 id1=10005000 id2=10006100]
2016.01.07 14:28:45 00 00 00 98AA08 98AE54
2016.01.07 14:28:45 000000000000000000000000100110001010101000001000100110001010111001010100011000100001111110001111
2016.01.07 14:28:45 Activity update: Slot1=Group Voice Slot2=No Activity
2016.01.07 14:28:45 +DMR slot2 BS DATA CC=10 Idle
2016.01.07 14:28:45 +DMR slot1 BS DATA CC=10 TLC CommEnd Tgt=10005000 Src=10006100
2016.01.07 14:28:45 [FLCO=0 FID=0 v8=00 id1=10005000 id2=10006100]
2016.01.07 14:28:45 00 00 00 98AA08 98AE54
2016.01.07 14:28:45 000000000000000000000000100110001010101000001000100110001010111001010100011000100001111110001111
2016.01.07 14:28:46 +DMR slot2 BS DATA CC=10 Idle
2016.01.07 14:28:46 +DMR slot1 BS DATA CC=10 TLC CommEnd Tgt=10005000 Src=10006100
2016.01.07 14:28:46 [FLCO=0 FID=0 v8=00 id1=10005000 id2=10006100]
2016.01.07 14:28:46 00 00 00 98AA08 98AE54

 

[NotATechGuy]

Double Post to separate some information here. I went searching through old threads and found this piece of information.

I don't know if the 1st responder radio group is still around, but they had moved to a mototrbo system, so my guess it is the same one. One of those guys may have the freqs. These are the freqs they were using and may be have been converted over:

461.850 Oxford
461.275 Mt. Olive
463.925 Mt. Olive
451.225 Fort Lee
463.950 Sparta

EDIT: New Information!

After spending some time scanning around I've confirmed some additional frequencies. The additional frequencies were found under the license WQQR815 - Prime Healthcare Services Saint Clare's LLC. Below is my updated list.

461.850 Oxford - Nothing
461.275 Mt. Olive - Nothing
463.925 Mt. Olive - Nothing
451.225 Fort Lee - Nothing
463.950 Sparta - Confirmed CC=10

452.025 - Confirmed CC=8
452.300 - Confirmed CC=8
457.025 - Confirmed CC=8
461.325 - Confirmed CC=10
461.450 - Confirmed CC=10
463.950 - Confirmed CC=10
464.225 - Confirmed CC=8

Now I'm located almost in the center of Morris County so maybe I'm too far away to hear some sites. However my antenna is pretty high up in elevation. I also heard a group which hasn't been listed. It kind of sounded like security.

In conclusion I would say their system is IP site connect based on the fact that all the frequencies I found above are simulcasting.

 

[johnls7424]

What is the input and output frequencies again?

 

[NotATechGuy]

What is the input and output frequencies again?

We don't know which are which, I would have to look through the licenses and guess which is the input and which is the output. There is no need to have the input anyway since no one should be transmitting besides those authorized to use the system and you should only hear inputs if you are close enough traditionally speaking.

 

[W2SJW]

Double Post to separate some information here. I went searching through old threads and found this piece of information.



EDIT: New Information!

After spending some time scanning around I've confirmed some additional frequencies. The additional frequencies were found under the license WQQR815 - Prime Healthcare Services Saint Clare's LLC. Below is my updated list.

461.850 Oxford - Nothing
461.275 Mt. Olive - Nothing
463.925 Mt. Olive - Nothing
451.225 Fort Lee - Nothing
463.950 Sparta - Confirmed CC=10

452.025 - Confirmed CC=8
452.300 - Confirmed CC=8
457.025 - Confirmed CC=8
461.325 - Confirmed CC=10
461.450 - Confirmed CC=10
463.950 - Confirmed CC=10
464.225 - Confirmed CC=8

Now I'm located almost in the center of Morris County so maybe I'm too far away to hear some sites. However my antenna is pretty high up in elevation. I also heard a group which hasn't been listed. It kind of sounded like security.

In conclusion I would say their system is IP site connect based on the fact that all the frequencies I found above are simulcasting.

Yep, my friend confirmed as much about the sites being on IPSC & not a TRS. He is very knowledgeable himself, so I believe what he told me about the CC he was decoding. I can't argue with you logs, though!

Here's what he got:

 

[johnls7424]

We don't know which are which, I would have to look through the licenses and guess which is the input and which is the output. There is no need to have the input anyway since no one should be transmitting besides those authorized to use the system and you should only hear inputs if you are close enough traditionally speaking.

I almost always add the input frequencies. I also always set the radio for RX Only to be on the safe sides of things.

 

[NotATechGuy]

Here is my semi-final update. I've spent enough time and resources searching..for now. I'll leave it up to others to finish the job. I'll be monitoring this topic to chime in when appropriate.

The first batch of frequencies are used for EMS operations. The locations are based off of the license. 463.950 is still an unknown license. There are many more frequencies under the licenses however I found no transmissions over these frequencies.

Some frequencies have other systems repeated on them with different CC's that are farther away that I can pick up. You also might find a hospital operation frequency have EMS repeated over it under a different CC. There are also more group calls under all sites but I haven't identified them so I haven't published them.

All sites are MotoTRBO IP Site Connect with an emission designation of 7K60FXE.

Finally, I hope there are others out there willing to put time and effort into finding out more and publish their results.

Industrial/Business Pool, Conventional License - WQQR815 - Prime Healthcare Services Saint Clare's LLC, d/b/a Saint Clare's Health System
452.025 - CC=8 Denville
452.300 - CC=8 Dover
457.025 - CC=8 Denville
463.950 - CC=10 Sparta?
Industrial/Business Pool, Conventional License - WQTH855 - SPECTRUM COMMUNICATION
464.225 - CC=8 Randolph

Group calls:
16000000 - TS2 - Atlantic EMS
11002000 - TS2 - Hackettstown RMC EMS
10005000 - TS1 - St. Clares EMS

This second set is used for hospital operations like maintenance and security. There is also a town DPW coming over some of these frequencies.

Industrial/Business Pool, Conventional License - WQQR815 - Prime Healthcare Services Saint Clare's LLC, d/b/a Saint Clare's Health System
461.325 - CC=10 & CC=8 Dover
461.400 - CC=8 Denville
Industrial/Business Pool, Conventional License - WQTH855 - SPECTRUM COMMUNICATION
461.450 - CC=10 Randolph

Group calls:
4000100 - TS2 - CC8 - Hospital Ops (Denville?)
4000200 - TS2 - CC8 - Hospital Ops (Dover?)
12000500 - TS2 - CC10 - Washington Twp DPW?

 

[nosoup4u]

12000100 - Radio Techs

I also believe that 1200500 may be a sanitation company, not DPW.

 

[W2SJW]

Guys,

Playing around tonight with the latest public DSD+ (1.101) + the little FMP tuner program that now comes with DSD+. Getting a few hits on TG 12000300. Anyone else have that in their logs yet?

 

[NotATechGuy]

My only hit on TG 12000300 is CC:10 TS:2 RID:12000302.
It's a 1 second clip of someone keying up and dekeying right away. Couldn't possibly tell what it's used for.

 

[W2SJW]

Ok, this is mildly funny - HRMC EMS has an individual RID that is exactly the same as MICCOM's TGID.

On my 750, the screen shows MICCOM on the top & HRMC EMS on the bottom when that unit transmits!

 

[NotATechGuy]

Found my radio yesterday received an emergency alarm activation on the St. Clares group. Then today there was a call alert. Anyone else pick them up? I didn't get to hear the audio because I was AFK.

 

[asnhnetwork]

you will only have a couple of months to get this info as they migrate away. Some St Clares units are now using 155.175 pl 100.0 units in the 500 numbers.

Al