Monitoring Wyolink

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kd7gxu

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BUS dispatch is busy

The Laramie County School District 1 bus barn (TG 241) is on Wyolink and there is a lot of traffic right now. It is the old KUS423 that was on 155.205. There seems to be activity all day now so we can finally enjoy our digital scanners!
 

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How many towers are they on, I have not heard a thing here in Gering but I only get the Wheatland east and Chugwater towers so far. Tonight I heard that Goshen Cnty fire is having a meeting about communications, might be getting ready to switch over but I have not seen any new towers on the control channel search so far.
 

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How many towers are they on, I have not heard a thing here in Gering but I only get the Wheatland east and Chugwater towers so far. Tonight I heard that Goshen Cnty fire is having a meeting about communications, might be getting ready to switch over but I have not seen any new towers on the control channel search so far.

If you get up on the wildcat hills you could hear the Albin, Pine Bluff and probably Sherman Hill towers. They all have some activity. I used to live in the Platte Valley (Torrington) so I can sympathise with the reception that goes on there. I don't think the Torrington tower is up yet but the one in Wheatland is.
 

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I had heard somewhere that the Fed was no longer providing access to Fed property or towers for non-Fed users. It has happened here in CO (City of Estes Park taken off of USFS sites).
 

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I had heard somewhere that the Fed was no longer providing access to Fed property or towers for non-Fed users. It has happened here in CO (City of Estes Park taken off of USFS sites).

This particular situation could involve lands on the Arapaho-Roosevelt National Forest or Rocky Mountain National Park. If it involves this National Forest I can comment in detail on Forest Service wide policies, but do not know about any site specific situations that may be involved . If it involves this National Park, then National Park Service policies will come into play, as well as site specific concerns that I'm not privy to.

I've been retired from the U.S. Forest Service for nearly 10 years now so there could be policy changes I'm not aware of. I can easily look up current policy to find out if what I will say is not correct, If I'm not correct I will repost here.

Some Forest Service repeater sites are located on mountain tops on National Forest land a commercial electronic site has been approved. The best examples, due to how large and important they are, include Sandia Crest adjacent to Albuquerque, New Mexico and Mt. Wilson, which provides coverage for much of the Los Angeles basin. At these sites, lots have been plated and surveyed on the ground and the site plan approved by the Regional Forester, who is the mucky much just below the Chief of the Forest Service. These sites must also be shown in the Land and Resource Management Plan for the National Forest they are located on, often known as the "Forest Plan". Commercial and non-federal electronic uses must be at one of these approved sites.

If a potential electron site applicant determines a need for another location they first have to prove that their needs will not be met by one of the pre-existing approved electronic sites. If they do then the Forest Plan has to be modified. Since the Forest Plan included an extensive public involvement effort and is, in effect, an Environmental Impact Statement (EIS), this modification, depending on its extent, may require the EIS process, or the less complex process of an Environmental Assessment.

Since state and local jurisdictions, mostly those in the western U.S., heavily depend on electronic sites located on National Forest land, they are not being asked to vacate that use. What I suspect has happened involves Forest Service sites that are not located at an approved electronic site. These Forest Service sites are typically located at fire lookout towers or remote peaks with a minimal amount of development. In some cases state and local agencies, mostly local, were issued a special use permit and allowed to place an antenna on a Forest Service tower, or on a Forest Service lookout tower, while placing the actual radio device inside a Forest Service structure. Space in an existing vault or building and the addition of some simple antennas does not add much impact to the pre-existing impacts of the site.

This situation works until one of four things happen. First, other users want this arrangement as well and the site can no longer accommodate additional users of the Forest Service structure and tower. Second, commercial users want to apply for these sites and cry foul when they are not extended similar treatment. Third, as more and more state/local users occupy the site, impacts are incrementally added and have resulted in a situation that exceeds the original intent of the site. Fourth, the Forest Service no longer needs the site for National Forest administration so they remove the building, antennas tower, or the fire lookout at the site. When this happens the state/local users can't build their own facilities because they would be located outside an approved electronic site. Often, the agencies involved don't want to go through the process of of getting the Forest Plan modified so they find a different solution to meet their needs, which can involve them moving to an approved electronic site.

There is another possibility. A large group of commercial users may have approached the Forest Service saying that the piggybacking state/local agencies at an existing Forest Service site bypasses the process for getting electronic special use permits issued. The commercial users are saying that this precludes the public from commenting and other nearby electronic site users (located at approved sites) from responding with comments relative to interference to the systems of existing FCC licensees and special use permittees. This may create a need to take actions in response on an entire National Forest or one of the nine National Forest regions.

The last possibility is that the city of Estes Park violated the terms of their special use permits and it was terminated. This is an uncommon occurrence.

Be assured that there is not a change in policy to kick non-federal users off National Forest land.
 

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Am here for some help. I go to Cheyenne quite often and would like freq's for the Cheyenne area. I went to your data base and see most of them are in the 150's, where do I put them in Win500 in the Conv. or System Freq's? What freq's are good? I live in Colorado. I just got these new scanners and trying to learn about them as I go...If any one has a file to share please send to me... Thanks for your help in advance
 

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Sites 110 and 116?

Site 101 (Cheyenne south) show site 104, 110, 113 and 116 as adjacent sites but I can not find where 110 and 116 are located. Any info would be appreciated.


Thanks,

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Map? the only map that i have found is the old system PDF file,

i am not down there, but i grew up there, i could tell you in about an hour if i could be down there :-( ,
i would say that if you can and have a laptop with Pro96comm or Unitrunker..ect,
and a scanner that it is compatable ,i would drive or point an yagi antenna in different directions and see ??
"fox hunt" also sence there is not very many CC listed they would have to be found also and machted up,

it is a system that like they say needs to be maped out, i have made several actual maps like that,
i would guesse though that if it is on the neighbor part it will be close??
(1012) 5300 bishop blvd. or on the(1036) hershler building also the ( ) are not real site numbers yet??,
even if they are not setup yet they might be listed.

note: it would be so much fun to map it out :)
 
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So for a first time user of a digital unit, looking to buy with my tax return next year (assuming that my employment and the girlfriend's employment is still solid at UW), would you guys recommend a GRE or a Uniden unit?
 

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depends on your preference

I have GRE/RadioShack scanners and like them for their ease of programming. I have heard others say that they love their Unidens. What kind of scanner do you have now? You will definately want to get software and a cable to program with, it is much easier on the computer. If Santa is generous maybe he will send one of each!
 

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I have an ancient Uniden BC80XLT, which has been a great workhorse for listening in on WyDot, Laramie communications, WHP and Wyo Mutual Aid. But it's pretty much a push-button, simplistic machine, so whatever I buy new is going to be an update of about 13-15 years (80XLTs were released in '95, I think, according to the users manual).

Which is why I was asking...I'm sure I'm capable of learning to program them, but if there's one that would be more intuitive than the other, I'd probably prefer that.
 

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The best advice on a digital scanner is right here on RR. Look at the brands in the forums, see who has the best reports on their product, look for the problems and which company can solve them. What company listens to their customer needs and makes upgrades to the product. In your area, if you have a outside antenna, you have the ability to listen to 3 states. Look for a scanner that will handle it.
 

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i do not know were i got it from??? you know who you are:) but i found a map and re edited it it resides in the file section of
scan_wy yahoo group and has all of the info listed as locations GPS (.est format)

There are some system maps here: http://wyolink.state.wy.us/coverageArea.asp

I'm thinking the site numbers are wrong for some of the sites in the RR DB. I'm thinking that the 85_South neighbors are:

104 - Beacon Hill 155.190
110 - North Albin 155.505
113 - Russell Hill 154.01
116 - Whitcomb Hill 154.77

Rick
 

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Help with Tsys set up

I have a question in setting up the trunking system for the Laramie area Wyolink set up
When setting up in the Win 500 program do I have to have all the freqs for the site and what info id I need to put in for the talk groups? This is for a pro 106. Here is what I have so far in Win 500 program as far as the Tsys and Tgrp. for the Albany Co. area :

Tsys Type Freq.
Strouss Hill P25 150.8900 CC
150.9500 AC
Beacon/
Sherman Hill P25 155.1900 CC
155.0700 AC

Tgrp Group/Radio ID (DEC. format)
WHP 6378
WyDOT 6571

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 

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you need just the CC and AL'T CC programed or second AL'T
if there is one, depending on the tower and look in the other threds for more talk groups
WHP, DOT,MAT, CAT ...ect

I have a question in setting up the trunking system for the Laramie area Wyolink set up
When setting up in the Win 500 program do I have to have all the freqs for the site and what info id I need to put in for the talk groups? This is for a pro 106. Here is what I have so far in Win 500 program as far as the Tsys and Tgrp. for the Albany Co. area :

Tsys Type Freq.
Strouss Hill P25 150.8900 CC
150.9500 AC
Beacon/
Sherman Hill P25 155.1900 CC
155.0700 AC

Tgrp Group/Radio ID (DEC. format)
WHP 6378
WyDOT 6571

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Thank you Tyytor for getting back to me on the issue. I think I finally have Tsys and Tgrp figured out. If I have any more probs I'll let you know.
 

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Cheyenne Fire on Wyolink

I noticed that I hadn't heard anything on CFRs 800 trunk system all week and didn't think much of it until I didn't hear any traffic during a call. I placed a wildcard into my GRE500 and viola! CFR is indeed using Wyolink. Strange as I was informed last week that Wyolink was on hold for Laramie County (not including WHP, DOT and Schools), until a tower is up and running to ensure PD and SO have coverage. At least I can now remove the old 800 trunk system.
 

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How much traffic are they actually seeing now, then? I was surprised today that I didn't get any traffic off of WyoLink during the snowy mess around the area. I've got the talkgroups programmed in per the stickied thread and the database, but I've also got a Wildcard talkgroup programmed in on the 500, and heard nothing all day, even though Albany Co. SO was responding to rollovers earlier this morning, with dispatch reporting that WHP was on scene. One would think that the traffic would be picked up here in Laramie, if nothing else, on the Wildcard TG I have programmed.
 
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