MONOC - DB House cleaning - Depreciated Freqs

[665_NJ]

Guys - NJ Members.

DB Admin in the near future will be doing some DB "house cleaning" of "depreciated" frequencies state wide. We need your help to determine if these frequencies are still in use, especially if it is known the frequencies are used as "local" and / or as "backup" to the various Trunk system(s) the agency now operates on. We want to make sure before the cleanup starts and not to remove "active", though rarely or intermediately used frequencies.

One Example:
[FONT=&quot]MONOC EMS has transitioned over to the New Jersey Interoperability Communications System. All MONOC UHF frequencies are now depreciated and unused.
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[FONT=&quot]Thank you in advance.
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[KK4JUG]

I think it's "deprecated," not "depreciated."

 

[craneoperator99]

To start, Kinnelon 46.42, 46.06, 37.2, and 37.32 can all be deleted. Kinnelon no longer has low band antennas on their police cars, and I think it's safe to say that the only time FD would use 46.42 would be for talking to Butler or Boonton.

The Montville Public Works 45.32 can also be scrapped. I've never seen any of their vehicles carrying lowband antennas.

 

[scanner1man]

You can remove 39.24 and 39.62 under Hopatcong,Sussex County.

 

[NParkNJ]

For Ringwood,

Please get rid of the low band PD-37.16.

They don’t have low band antennas/radios in the cars anymore. Only VHF-high.

Fire/EMS VHF are active and correct. Will find out about EMS-Tac(low band), I’ve never heard that used.

Wanaque is good. Will look to add their DPW, which is lowband. The new DPW trucks have lowband.




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[Septa3371CSX1]

As per my thread here (https://forums.radioreference.com/n...78811-gloucester-county-uhf-still-active.html) Gloucester County UHF frequencies appear to still be active for talk around use.

 

[665_NJ]

DB "house cleaning" of "depreciated" frequencies state wide.

Clarification;


Currently NJ DB Admin is looking to only update and or remove currently listed (tagged) frequencies/channels in the DB as "depreciated".


Those frequencies and channels members who are requesting to be tagged as "depreciated" via this forum thread should instead make a regular submission to DB admin stating the reason for the request/submission.

Thankyou,

 

[NParkNJ]

10-4. Sorry Ken, admins


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[mondaro]

We often make the fatal mistake by deleting frequencies that are still in use, too many to
count so I am not even going to start naming them, many agencies still have there the older
systems in place to fall back on in some cases so my advice is if those of us serious
in scanning in your scanners, DON'T DELETE ANYTHING unless you know as fact
its not in use and repeaters and radios have been removed.

 

[665_NJ]

Started the clean up process for MONOC EMS in Ocean and Monmouth Counties.
For nostalgic and reference purposes, here is a list of their "old" UHF frequencies that were marked "depreciated".

451.47500 WQCN572 RM 210.7 PL MONOC N MONOC North
502.08750 WPLV291 M 412 DPL MONOC T 1 MONOC Tac 1 (UHF)
501.38750 WPLV291 M 412 DPL MONOC T 2 MONOC Tac 2 (UHF)
462.97500 KSO655 RM 173.8 PL MONOC NE Tac 2 MONOC North East Tac 2
462.95000 WNRW253 RM 210.7 PL M0NOC Med 9 MONOC Med 9 Dispatch
462.97500 WQAT443 RM 210.7 PL MONOC MED 10 MOMOC MED 10 Simil of Med 9
461.80000 WQCN562 RM 210.7 PL MONOC MED 11 MONOC MED 11 S Ocean Co,
462.96250 WQAT443 RM 210.7 PL MedEvc 2 MONOC Helio Ops

Now, if MONOC EMS activity is indeed again monitored on these channels, please make a DB submission and DB admin will gladly add them back in to the DB.

Thank you,

 

[665_NJ]

Started the clean up process for MONOC EMS in Ocean and Monmouth Counties.
For nostalgic and reference purposes, here is a list of their "old" UHF frequencies that were marked "depreciated".

451.47500 WQCN572 RM 210.7 PL MONOC N MONOC North
502.08750 WPLV291 M 412 DPL MONOC T 1 MONOC Tac 1 (UHF)
501.38750 WPLV291 M 412 DPL MONOC T 2 MONOC Tac 2 (UHF)
462.97500 KSO655 RM 173.8 PL MONOC NE Tac 2 MONOC North East Tac 2
462.95000 WNRW253 RM 210.7 PL M0NOC Med 9 MONOC Med 9 Dispatch
462.97500 WQAT443 RM 210.7 PL MONOC MED 10 MOMOC MED 10 Simil of Med 9
461.80000 WQCN562 RM 210.7 PL MONOC MED 11 MONOC MED 11 S Ocean Co,
462.96250 WQAT443 RM 210.7 PL MedEvc 2 MONOC Helio Ops

Now, if MONOC EMS activity is indeed again monitored on these channels, please make a DB submission and DB admin will gladly add them back in to the DB.

Thank you,

Today, we finish the clean up process for MONOC EMS for the rest of the State of NJ. Again and for nostalgic / reference purposes, here is a list of their "old" UHF frequencies that were marked "depreciated" especially those used in NE NJ by MONOC and Atlantic Health System.

155.35500 WPJT488 BM 186.2 PL MONOC NE MONOC North East (Atlantic Health) FMN Deprecated
451.47500 456.47500 WQCN572 RM 210.7 PL MONOC N MONOC North FMN Deprecated 502.68750 M 412 DPL MONOC T 1 MONOC Tac 1 (UHF) FMN Deprecated
501.38750 WPLV291 M 412 DPL MONOC T 2 MONOC Tac 2 (UHF) FMN Deprecated
155.17500 KSO655 BM 167.9 PL MONOC Tac 1 MONOC North East Tac 1 FMN Deprecated
462.97500 467.97500 KSO655 RM 173.8 PL MONOC Tac 2 MONOC North East Tac 2 FMN Deprecated



Thank you,

 

[andrew1mbrs]

Monoc’s UHF frequencies are still in use in simplex at the Red Bull arena. They still actively have licenses for these channels.

 

[665_NJ]

Monoc’s UHF frequencies are still in use in simplex at the Red Bull arena. They still actively have licenses for these channels.

Which of the previously listed UHF frequencies are being used at the Red Bull
Arena? Any change in PL/DPL info?

Thanks

 

[ipfd320]

Not to toss a wrench into this im just curious and understand the clean-up but if these frequencies are still active in the fcc database why would you delete them from the r/r database

i understand they may be depreciated but to eliminate them all together seems odd--if 1 system does go down who is to say they wont go to something else---just because someone says they dont have this antenna on a vehicle does not mean they dont have a portable on something else

This is just my opinion from a radio operators standpoint---i would do research on the depreciated freqs with the fcc data to help remove said no good freqs you have

 

[GTR8000]

Not to toss a wrench into this im just curious and understand the clean-up but if these frequencies are still active in the fcc database why would you delete them from the r/r database

i understand they may be depreciated but to eliminate them all together seems odd--if 1 system does go down who is to say they wont go to something else---just because someone says they dont have this antenna on a vehicle does not mean they dont have a portable on something else

This is just my opinion from a radio operators standpoint---i would do research on the depreciated freqs with the fcc data to help remove said no good freqs you have

To put it bluntly, we don't necessarily care about FCC data, nor should we. There is so much crap in the FCC ULS, including millions of licensed frequencies that haven't been used in decades and never will be again.

For example, there are counties in the NYC metro area that still have 37 MHz frequencies licensed, even though they migrated to VHF in the mid 1980s and then to 700/800 MHz trunking within the past 10 years. They don't even have VHF capability anymore, much less low band. So in that respect, we'd be keeping both 37 MHz and VHF frequencies in the RRDB just because they're licensed, even though there is no equipment (infrastructure or mobiles) to operate on those frequencies.

The trouble is that there is no cost for public safety to renew licenses, and so there is no motivation for them to remove old/unused frequencies. They simply continue to get re-licensed every 10 years without anyone batting an eyelash. I doubt many even realize how out of date their licenses really are.

 

[902]

To put it bluntly, we don't necessarily care about FCC data, nor should we. There is so much crap in the FCC ULS, including millions of licensed frequencies that haven't been used in decades and never will be again.

For example, there are counties in the NYC metro area that still have 37 MHz frequencies licensed, even though they migrated to VHF in the mid 1980s and then to 700/800 MHz trunking within the past 10 years. They don't even have VHF capability anymore, much less low band. So in that respect, we'd be keeping both 37 MHz and VHF frequencies in the RRDB just because they're licensed, even though there is no equipment (infrastructure or mobiles) to operate on those frequencies.

The trouble is that there is no cost for public safety to renew licenses, and so there is no motivation for them to remove old/unused frequencies. They simply continue to get re-licensed every 10 years without anyone batting an eyelash. I doubt many even realize how out of date their licenses really are.

You're right - especially with respect to agencies warehousing frequencies they don't use, but have licensed because they had some money to spend on coordination and made this grand plan that never got signed off on by any other of the agencies that are supposed to be using it (then they are the "channelmaster" and have to provide letters of concurrence whenever another entity wants to license on the frequency).

With the hoopla about T-Band, I wouldn't pull low band out of the equation, even if there's no equipment at the moment and the pick of the manufacturing litter is slim. If the giveback ever comes to fruition, the affected agencies might all find themselves back on 33.86, 33.88, 45.90, 46.42, 37.38, and 37.10.

 

[mondaro]

This is what I am talking about we ASSUME these repeaters are no longer in use and we are quick to pull the data offline when an agency goes to PSIC - my golden rule is NEVER to delete a repeater or agency, for example, if they need it the low band base stations still work for Kearny and Harrison, off my soapbox.

 

[665_NJ]

As posted on November 10, 2018:
DB Admin in the near future will be doing some DB "house cleaning" of "depreciated" frequencies state wide. We need your help to determine if these frequencies are still in use, especially if it is known the frequencies are used as "local" and / or as "backup" to the various Trunk system(s) the agency now operates on. We want to make sure before the cleanup starts and not to remove "active", though rarely or intermediately used frequencies.

Question: Are the following Gloucester County UHF Still Active?

507.68750 WII365 RM 167.9 PL Glou PD CW Police - Countywide FM Deprecated
453.81250 WQOX937 RM 114 DPL Glou PD Zn 1 Police - Zone 1 FMN Deprecated
460.21250 RM 205 DPL Glou PD Zn 2 Police - Zone 2 FMN Deprecated
460.33750 WQOX937 RM 306 DPL Glou PD Zn 3 Police - Zone 3 FMN Deprecated
453.63750 WQOX937 RM 445 DPL Glou PD Zn 4 Police - Zone 4 FMN Deprecated
460.16250 WQOX937 RM 503 DPL Glou PD Zn 5 Police - Zone 5 FMN Deprecated
460.26250 WQOX937 RM 606 DPL Glou PD Zn 6 Police - Zone 6 FMN Deprecated
460.06250 RM 703 DPL Glou PD Zn 7 Police - Zone 7 FMN Deprecated
453.18750 WQOY295 RM 265 DPL Glou PD Zn 9 Police - Zone 9 FMN Deprecated
453.36250 WQOY295 RM 155 DPL Glou PD Zn 8 Police - Zone 8 FMN Deprecated
507.63750 WII365 M 77.0 PL Glou PD SWAT SWAT FM Deprecated
158.97000 KBC661 BM Glou PD SWAT Police SWAT FM Deprecated
508.56250 WII365 RM 167.9 PL Glou Sheriff Sheriff FM Deprecated
507.63750 WII365 RM 167.9 PL Glou STAR-1 STAR-1 Incident Command FM Deprecated
507.63750 WII365 M 167.9 PL Glou STAR-2 STAR-2 FM Deprecated
506.91250 WII365 RM 412 DPL Glou STAR-3 STAR-3 Incident Command FM Deprecated
506.91250 WII365 RM 167.9 PL Glou Jail Jail FM Deprecated
507.01250 WII365 RM 167.9 PL Glou ComCtr Comm Center FM Deprecated
507.03750 WII365 RM 167.9 PL Glou Pros Prosecutor FM Deprecated
507.08750 WII365 RM 167.9 PL Glou FD 3/4 North Fire Response FM Deprecated
507.13750 WII365 RM 167.9 PL Glou FD 5/6 South Fire Response FM Deprecated
507.23750 WII365 RM 167.9 PL Glou EMS 7/8 South EMS Response FM Deprecated
507.18750 WII365 RM 167.9 PL Glou EMS9/10 North EMS Response FM Deprecated
507.28750 WII365 RM 167.9 PL Glou FD11/12 Tactical 1 (Fireground) FM Deprecated
507.58750 WII365 RM 167.9 PL Glou FD13/14 Tactical 2 (Fireground) FM Deprecated
507.53750 WII365 RM 167.9 PL Glou FD15/16 Tactical 3 (Fireground) FM Deprecated
510.73750 WII365 M 167.9 PL Glou FD 17 Tactical 4 (Fire Drills)FM Deprecated
508.58750 WII365 RM 167.9 PL Glou EMS 18 EMS to Hospital FM Deprecated


Which of the listed Gloucester County UHF frequencies (currently marked as "depreciated" are STILL being used as simplex / talk around frequencies? Is their Any change in PL/DPL info? If so, please post and make a DB submission.

This is a last call on this issue before clean up is completed.

Thanks in advance!

 

[665_NJ]

A suggestion:
For those members who are concerned about and have posted here "no licensed frequency" should be deleted from the RR database for any reason especially if agencies are still licensed just to perchance the frequency(s) are still available for use as "local" and / or as "backup".

However for reasons previous posted in this forum, RR db is not going to be a copy of the FCC license data base.

If a frequency is identified as such and activity has indeed been monitored recently it should be submitted to RR. DB admin will review, note and add to the DB.

Not being sarcastic here... Now, if member(s) have the time, they can start/use the wiki page to start by state then county by county listing of all still licensed but unused or rarely used frequencies that might be used as "local" and / or as "backup". A good resource right here a RR is to use the FCC License Tab - Display Unidentified FCC Licenses for(XX) county, (xx) state. This would be a monumental task and somewhat redundant, (something I personally do NOT have the time for) but it can be done. The Wiki page is the best place to this type information which is then readily available.

 

[665_NJ]

I'll add one more town to this group. Bloomfield,
Ever since their transition to NJICS about a month ago, I have not monitored "any" activity on their "old" UHF T band frequencies (below).
Either as "local" or as a "backup." or even as their mysterious Ch 4.
Has anyone else monitored activity with these since their transition to NJICS?
If not, this group will be added to the "clean up broom" also.

477.33750 480.33750 KNQ473 RM 192.8 PL FD 1 Disp Fire Dispatch F-1 (F2 - Talkaround) FMN Deprecated
477.26250 480.26250 WII230 RM 82.5 PL PD 1 Disp Police Dispatch F-1 (F2 - Talkaround) FMN Deprecated
476.77500 479.77500 WPUQ807 RM 141.3 PL PD/FD 3 PD/FD Alt Disp F-3 (PD - Traffic, FD - FG -Ops) FMN Deprecated

Thank you,