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As a member of the public safety community, I would ask that you please extend the due respect to those impacted by this tragedy in your questioning.
Doug

I didn't think I asked anything disrespectful...In fact all to the contrary.
A tough time now for the Public Safety Community for sure in Maryland and they have all my respect and admiration.
There will be changes made in the Maryland Air-Evacs program for the better of us all
no doubt.

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As of 5:00 PM, October 1, 2008, the Maryland State Police Aviation Command has progressed operations further with an additional section, Trooper Seven, Southern Maryland Section is staffed for 24 hour service.
In addition, the Frederick Section is also operationally staffed with a helicopter and crew from the U.S. Park Police for 16 hours a day (0700-2300). A total of three MDSP helicopter sections are in-service with flight crews at their respective hangars,( Baltimore, Southern Maryland, Frederick). Assistance from allied public safety and commercial service aircraft will continue as needed.
 

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8 Call 90 will be used today for the Funeral Procession from Gamber to Dulaney Valley Memorial Gardens. For anyone that wants to listen.
 

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Any clue on what radio channel they will use for EMT Mallard's funeral ?
 

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MIEMSS New Helicopter Protocol

MIEMSS New Helicopter Protocol - Crews must now consult with EMRC / SYSCOM to request a medical helicopter.





http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health/bal-medevac1006,0,5894738.story


EMTs, doctors to confer on patients in medevac change
Doctor's OK to be required before patients can be flown to a trauma center


By Robert Little | robert.little@baltsun.com

7:50 PM EDT, October 6, 2008

In a move that could reduce the number of medevac flights in Maryland, state emergency medical officials today announced that ambulance teams will be required to consult with doctors before deciding whether flying some accident victims to a trauma center is better than driving them to a local hospital.

The change, in response to a deadly helicopter crash in Prince George's County about a week ago, won't apply to victims with obviously traumatic injuries. But the state will stop automatically ordering medevac transportation based on the nature of an accident, as it does with hundreds of flights each year. Emergency workers will now speak with doctors before deciding whether such cases warrant a helicopter flight, said Dr. Robert R. Bass, director of the Maryland Institute for Emergency Medical Services Systems.

Bass also said state officials will appoint a panel of national trauma and emergency medicine experts to assess the state's emergency medical system and recommend whether other changes are necessary. He said he hopes to have a panel selected in several days, with the goal of completing its report by the end of the year.

Bass said the protocol change is being implemented to address criticism that Maryland too often uses expensive and potentially dangerous helicopters when a ground ambulance might be more appropriate. The practice will be re-assessed in several months to determine if it made a difference.

The Sept. 27 medevac flight that crashed in Prince George's, killing four people, was ordered because of the degree of damage to the vehicle involved in the accident, rather than the injuries themselves. Both patients were awake and alert after the car crash in Waldorf, but the emergency medical crew chose to fly them to the Prince George's Hospital Center because, under the state's emergency response guidelines, the 12-inch dent in their vehicle predicted potentially hidden injuries.

The state's leading trauma surgeon applauded the change today but said he couldn't be sure it would lead to fewer unnecessary medevac flights. Maryland's triage guidelines purposely err on the side of getting patients more care than they might require.

"I have trouble overruling someone who is at the scene and can put their eyes on a patient," said Dr. Thomas M. Scalea, physician in chief at Maryland Shock Trauma Center in Baltimore, the state's primary trauma center.

"They'll call, we will have a discussion, and then we will make a joint decision about what is best for the patient," Scalea said after a news conference today at the center. "But we'll continue to err on the side of the patient. There are always people who are fine until they land on our roof, and then all of a sudden they are not."

Some trauma specialists have questioned the nation's increasing reliance on helicopter transport, particularly in light of studies casting doubt on whether medevac flights deliver patients faster and lead to better medical results. Among the roughly 4,500 patients flown in Maryland last year, nearly half were discharged within 24 hours, suggesting their injuries were not so severe that a ground ambulance could not have offered acceptable treatment.

Dr. Bryan E. Bledsoe, a University of Nevada emergency medicine physician and a frequent critic of what he perceives as overuse of helicopter transport, praised today's announcement but said he thinks more sweeping change would be appropriate. Recent scientific studies suggest that using the nature of a crash to predict injuries is unreliable as much as 80 percent of the time.

"The thing is, the whole argument for the use of these helicopters is speed and rapid transport to the trauma center. And this will add time," Bledsoe said. "I've taken calls like that. You might be treating another patient, you might be suturing and have to take your gloves off. Unless someone is sitting there monitoring the radio full time, it could be difficult and time-consuming.

"What needs to be considered is the elimination of mechanism of injury from the protocol entirely."

Medevac helicopters will still begin the pre-flight warm-up process when a call comes in, but won't fly to get the patient until the doctor and medic agree that a helicopter flight is necessary. Bass and Scalea estimated the process might add 60 to 90 seconds to response times.

"If there's any delay, it should be very minimal," said Bass.

Bass and Scalea spent much of today's news conference defending Maryland's trauma system, which has been copied around the world, against what they perceive as criticism related to the recent crash. Both said they support the new protocol and review but said officials might ultimately determine that few meaningful improvements can be made.

"They're in the rain, in the dark, lots of noise, a dangerous environment -- they have to make these decisions very quickly, and they are life-and-death decisions," he said. "I have no doubt the system we have now has saved thousands of lives."

Scott Wells, whose 18-year-old daughter, Jordan, survived last month's crash and is being treated at Shock Trauma, was unaware of any calls for changes to the system. But regardless of the questions about whether his daughter needed to be flown, he said he is grateful for the system that treated her.

"If the mission is saving lives, lives are saved. If the mission is saving money, money is saved," Wells said.

"I'm not going to say it hasn't been a nightmare, but her mother and I are just extremely grateful for the pilot and the paramedics that came out to save our daughter, and for everyone at the hospital who is still working to save her."

Copyright © 2008, The Baltimore Sun
 

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Late tonite have a callsign (Express Care) chopper doing practice landings at Cecil County
airport freq 122.800 at 0030 local.
Tail# shows as N325PH EUROCOPTER DEUTSCHLAND GMBH EC 135 P2+
Nice chopper! Odd time of night for numerous practice landings.
Maryland MedEvac private assist bird or Company Demo of new possible MSP bird?
Ownership shows PHI INC Lafayette,LOUISIANA Mfr in 2007 but working Med-Evac out of Danville Va.
After half hour or so practice at Cecil departed to the Southwest..
Looks small in this picture.. http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/213081L.html


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There's a model replica of the MSP MedEvac copters available at this site for those interested:
http://firstresponsereplicas.com/agusta.htm

I've pondered writing an e-mail to them, detailing the loss of Trooper 2, and seeing whether they'ed be interested in doing some kind of commemorative model. The models currently depict N82MD, but I think it'd be easy to change that to N79MD, tweak the stand to display the chopper name, date of the crash, and the names of those lost and the name of the one survivor.

Don't know whether the company would find any benefit, or even have the resources for such a thing (their police car orders are backlogged by a half a year at least), and whether the families and associates of those lost would find that in taste or not.

What do you guys think?
 

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Also have a quick Question for anyone...
Are any still out of service?
I know 1,4,5,6,7 are back in service for sure... Can anyone elaborate as to the status of 2,3, and 8?
 

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Also have a quick Question for anyone...

Are any still out of service?

I know 1,4,5,6,7 are back in service for sure... Can anyone elaborate as to the status of 2,3, and 8?



Trooper 2 has been back in service for a while now. I hear them quite frequently here in the central part of the state.
 
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Maryland State Police Helos Under FAA Investigation
Mon, 24 Nov '08

Fired Medevac Pilot Files Whistleblower Complaint
A complaint filed with the Department of Transportation's Office of the Inspector General has sparked a Federal Aviation Administration investigation into the operation and maintenance of helicopters used by the Maryland State Police.
The complainant is former medevac pilot Pete Peterson, fired earlier this month for refusing to give up maintenance records he says prove safety concerns. State Police spokesman Greg Shipley admitted the FAA was investigating but declined further comment. FAA spokesman Jim Peters was also mum on the proceedings.

Maryland has the only statewide medevac system in the country, Annapolis' The Capital reported. Operating on a $20 million annual budget, the Maryland State Police Aviation Command owns 12 helicopters based in eight cities. Most flights conducted are for medevac missions.

Scrutiny of the state's helicopters operations began in September, when an audit criticized record keeping as insufficient and probed difficulties in retaining technical personnel, The Capital said. Further questions surfaced when later that month a fatal crash during a medevac flight in bad weather killed four of five persons on board.

The preliminary report on that crash, released by the National Transportation Safety Board earlier this month, sparked harsh criticism from Maryland government officials regarding the circumstances of the flight.

Next week a national panel is slated to begin investigation into criteria utilized by the State Police in assigning medevac missions. A study conducted by The Capital last March revealed that "about half of the patients transported by helicopter have non-life-threatening injuries, and are released within 24 hours."

Maryland Senators John Astle and E.J. Pipkin, openly critical of the state's helicopter operations, welcome the FAA's scrutiny. Astle, who is a former helicopter pilot, expressed confidence that the investigation brought on by Peterson's whistleblower report will yield answers to his questions.

"I got to believe it will," Astle said. "The state police needs some people that know something about aviation."
 
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