Murs

[walruspwaterhead]

I know murs is not supposed to be used in Canada but regardless. Has anyone heard any/ much action on the murs freq? Do you think they would be used much in a large scale emergency? thanks

 

[exkalibur]

Supposedly, as of 2014, MURS was to be made available up here.

 

[walruspwaterhead]

oh wow good to know. can anyone confirm that or know where to get info on it? Thank you Exkalibur

 

[mike_art03a]

From the Industry Canada Website - RE: SAB-002-14 - Multi-Use Radio Services in the 150mhz VHF Band:

SAB-002-14 – Multi-Use Radio Services in the 150 MHz VHF Band
Deferral of Multi-Use Radio Services (MURS) in Canada

In 2005, Industry Canada held a public consultation (Footnote 1) to invite comments regarding policy changes to accommodate new services including MURS radio products available in the United States market. Following this consultation, in June 2009, the Department released its decisions in Spectrum Allocation and Utilization Policy Regarding the Use of Certain Frequency Bands Below 1.7 GHz for a Range of Radio Applications – SP 1.7 GHz, ("2009 policy decision").

Included in this policy document was a decision to introduce MURS devices in the 150 MHz band (i.e. 151.8200 MHz, 151.8800 MHz, 151.9400 MHz, 154.5700 MHz and 154.600 MHz), along with the following transition components:

- a five-year transition period was established from the publication date of the June 2009 spectrum policy, after which the distribution and sale of MURS devices would be permitted;
- all affected licensees would receive notification letters following the publication date of the spectrum policy and two years before the end of the transition period;
- affected licensees that wished to move to other frequencies, at their own cost, would be accommodated with new frequencies where possible. The Department would inform licensees of the availability of alternate frequencies, on a case-by-case basis, at the request of the licensee;
- licensees could continue to use these frequencies on a secondary, no protection basis, but might be subject to interference from the operation of MURS devices; and
- the Department would establish appropriate technical limits for the MURS devices in a relevant Radio Standard Specification (RSS) and/or a Standard Radio System Plan (SRSP). The provisions of paragraph (iii) and (iv) would also be applied to certain adjacent frequencies, as listed in the relevant SRSP.

According to the 2009 policy decision, MURS devices would have been permitted to operate in Canada as of June 2014. Also included was a moratorium on any further licensing of these five frequencies for new land mobile radio systems. These frequencies are currently used specifically by commercial/industrial land mobile and public safety licensees.

Since release of Industry Canada’s 2009 policy decision, uncertainties have been raised regarding potential uptake of MURS devices in Canada, and the relative merits of proceeding with MURS implementation in light of potential negative impacts to incumbent licensees.

As a result, the Department does not feel that the introduction of MURS devices in Canada is warranted at this time, and has decided to defer the introduction of MURS devices in Canada until a clearer indication of actual need is provided by Canadian MURS advocates and/or stakeholders.

Manufacturers, importers, retailers, current licensed users, and all other stakeholders are asked to take note of this provision.

Issued under the authority of the Radiocommunication Act.
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Peter Hill
Director General
Spectrum Management Operations Branch
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Marc Dupuis
Director General
Engineering, Planning and Standards Branch
Footnotes

Footnote 1

Proposals and Changes to the Spectrum in Certain Bands Below 1.7 GHz (DGPT-004-05): Archived — Gazette Notice DGTP-004-05 - Spectrum Management and Telecommunications

Date modified: 2014-05-29

SAB-002-14

 

[walruspwaterhead]

Darn, I got my hopes up for nothing. Regardless My first question still stands.

I know murs is not supposed to be used in Canada but regardless. Has anyone heard any/ much action on the murs freq? Do you think they would be used much in a large scale emergency? thanks

 

[walruspwaterhead]

From the Industry Canada Website - RE: SAB-002-14 - Multi-Use Radio Services in the 150mhz VHF Band:


SAB-002-14

thanks Mike

 

[mlmummert]

I doubt it. Who would have MURS radios to use in the first place since it's not legal in the country.

 

[Voyager]

Seriously? Like nobody ever does anything illegal in Canada? Does eBay not work in Canada?

 

[kayn1n32008]

Seriously? Like nobody ever does anything illegal in Canada? Does eBay not work in Canada?

Who needs MURS when there is the 'Basic 10'

154.100 LAD 1
158.940 LAD 2
153.325 LAD 3
173.370 LAD 4
153.050
162.210
163.050
166.620
168.120
165.480

8 of these frequencies can be used in Alberta, for general use. 154.100 can not be used south of Edmonton, 158.940 and 153.325 can not be used at all in Alberta. A couple others have geographic restrictions in various places through out the province.

No need for MURS here, even though they do need to be licensed.

 

[mikepdx]

Who needs MURS when there is the 'Basic 10'

154.100 LAD 1
158.940 LAD 2
153.325 LAD 3
173.370 LAD 4
153.050
162.210
163.050
166.620
168.120
165.480

8 of these frequencies can be used in Alberta, for general use. 154.100 can not be used south of Edmonton, 158.940 and 153.325 can not be used at all in Alberta. A couple others have geographic restrictions in various places through out the province.

No need for MURS here, even though they do need to be licensed.

LAD-3 should be 154.325. No?

I used to hear CDN truckers here in Oregon on 154.10
before our State DOT began using it as dispatch. LOL

I still hear the truckers on LAD-2 occasionally.

 

[kayn1n32008]

LAD-3 should be 154.325. No?

I used to hear CDN truckers here in Oregon on 154.10
before our State DOT began using it as dispatch. LOL

I still hear the truckers on LAD-2 occasionally.

Sorry my bad. You are correct it should be 154.325

 

[Forts]

Seriously? Like nobody ever does anything illegal in Canada? Does eBay not work in Canada?

What's eBay have to do with it? Any VHF radio will do it, including all those shiny Baofengs floating around.

I think the point was... If there was an emergency, who would be using it since any legitimate agency wouldn't be using those channels. I'm really not sure who would even if they were legal, other than some guys and his buddies here and there.

As the IC doc spelled out, some of those frequencies are used all over the place (mainly retail type stuff from what I've heard).

 

[Voyager]

eBay has to do with people buying cheap radios who have no idea that a license is required or FCC/IC approval (especially when they are advertized as "license not required", and no concept of frequency selection - much like those who use European license-free channels in the USA even though we have MURS and FRS. (IOW, the exact same situation as described in the OP)

 

[kayn1n32008]

eBay has to do with people buying cheap radios who have no idea that a license is required or FCC/IC approval (especially when they are advertized as "license not required", and no concept of frequency selection - much like those who use European license-free channels in the USA even though we have MURS and FRS. (IOW, the exact same situation as described in the OP)

Who needs Ebay for that? Just walk into many 2-way shops and buy a TK-7160/TK-7180 or a VX-2200 and tell them you work in the 'patch in NE BC and Alberta, and you will get a brand spanking new mobile 1/2wave on a mag mount, and a cig-plug on the power able, all nicely mounted on a headrest rack... With anywhere between 128-450 channels programmed in.

License? What license...

 

[walruspwaterhead]

So no one has heard people on those channels? I am trying to see if it would be a good idea in a SHTF scenario to monitor these freq or not.

 

[Forts]

I seriously doubt anything of consequence would be on there if the fur was flying.

 

[walruspwaterhead]

ok thanks forts

 

[kayn1n32008]

So no one has heard people on those channels? I am trying to see if it would be a good idea in a SHTF scenario to monitor these freq or not.

Be better off with the basic ten in Canada

 

[mike_art03a]

Yeah, but you'll have to be careful outside Alberta/BC with those freqs though. One of them is awfully close to what the STO (local public transit agency) uses for comms between drivers here in Gatineau. As for MURS in SHTF, you still gotta be careful. There are over 28,000 licensees that use the same frequencies that MURS does.

 

[DaveH]

Yeah, but you'll have to be careful outside Alberta/BC with those freqs though. One of them is awfully close to what the STO (local public transit agency) uses for comms between drivers here in Gatineau. As for MURS in SHTF, you still gotta be careful. There are over 28,000 licensees that use the same frequencies that MURS does.

STO uses VHF to talk to drivers? (news to me). And how close is "awful close", 15kHz?
I've heard them on UHF.

Anyways, numerous potential interference possibilites trying to use the LAD channels
around here, such as SQ=166.620 in Que. I've heard occasionally itinerant truckers on
154.100, which is in use east of Ottawa...etc.

As fow MURS, 151.880 was until recently used in a military trunked system in Ont.

Dave