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A friend gave me a Lafayette HA-600A he said i could use copper wire as an antenna he said use about 50 feet and go around a room on the ceiling my question is this should i just use the ceiling or should i use the ceiling and a wall so i have all 3 axis covered (a square on the ceiling and square on the wall) versus just the 2 (just a square on the ceiling) ??
 

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A friend gave me a Lafayette HA-600A he said i could use copper wire as an antenna he said use about 50 feet and go around a room on the ceiling my question is this should i just use the ceiling or should i use the ceiling and a wall so i have all 3 axis covered (a square on the ceiling and square on the wall) versus just the 2 (just a square on the ceiling) ??

Hello

You can use any kind and size copper wire you want as long as you want. Rule of thumb is more wire in the air the better. Only problem you might have running it inside is noise from all your electronics and dimmers. I use mine inside OK. Try inside first then if too noisy try to find a way outside.

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cant go outside i rent

BTW does anybody know where i can get a service manural for this radio there is a bulb out in it and im not sure how to get to it without taken radio all apart and if i do that might as well junk it ...
 

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The service manual is not really going to tell you how to change a bulb in that radio. I am not sure there ever was a separate “service manual” for the radio, like many of its day it included a service section with block diagram, theory of operation, and schematic in the manual that came with the radio. It was expected that if you knew enough to read the schematic you probably did not need step-by-step instructions on how to get to a bulb and replace it.

To get to the bulbs you are going to have to open it up by removing the top cover, there is no need to “take the radio all apart”. This should be pretty simple, two screws on each side if I remember right. I do not remember any screws on the back of the HA-600 (to just remove the top cover).

User manuals can be found at mods.dk or at http://www.vmarsmanuals.co.uk/archive/4028_Lafayette_HA600_receiver_manual.pdf

As for an antenna, just try around the ceiling first. Inside antennas are always a compromise, and don’t expect world class performance, but it should work. Yes, you will have some noise issues, as you will be close to all the noise sources in the room/apartment/house. Part of the reason outside antennas are better is because they are farther away from lots of noise sources. A single piece of wire looped around the ceiling of the room is a good starting place. You do not make a big closed loop with it, the far end is not connected back to the wire anyplace, it just ends.

With these kinds of radios it is always hard to tell what freq you are really on. If the dial is accurate (unlikely) the graduations are too course to get precision out of. Often if you can tell within 50 kHz that is pretty decent, and there can be 10 transmissions in 50 kHz on HF. But, this is what we all had to deal with “in the day”. It can be frustrating to a person used to relatively exact digital frequency readout or even channelized scanners when you pretty much always know what freq you are on. It used to be pretty common to use something like a BC-221 or LM-18 heterodyne frequency meter in association with such radios, then you could tell your tuned freq within 1 kHz, often down to 200 Hz.

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what is the difference between HF600 and HF 600A


after a little work and a small amount of forcing i got bulb out but the bulb looks brand new its says 1815 12-14V any idea where i would look for a bulb like this????

after looking at it a wile longer the bulb lights up but it is very very dim and i found a 3rd bulb

3 bulbs in unit
1 for S unit meter nice a bright
the other 2 1 on each side of unit to light up the "frequency Screen" they are both dim one of them is listed above the other i cant get out and seems to be a different type the the 1815 bulb


does anybody have any ideas about bulbs ?
 
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dude-this morning I went through the trouble of locating an online manual for you which you could've done yourself-at least you could frikkin acknowledge it? gees no manners:mad:
 

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Another way to tell what freq you were on - at least somewhat closely - was to use a crystal calibrator which sent out a harmonic every 100 khz (the better ones got it down even more). You then created a plot with a spot on a line on graph paper - anyone remember that?

I sure do...Mike
 

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dude-this morning I went through the trouble of locating an online manual for you which you could've done yourself-at least you could frikkin acknowledge it? gees no manners:mad:


dude gee ok thanks for looking up something that i didn't ask for .. i have the manual along with many many others 90% of them are in the link on my sig .. the manual didnt tell me what i need to know thats why i asked for a S-E-R-V-I-C-E M-A-N-U-A-L but i guess its to hard to tell the different between the words service and owners
 
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don't give me any of your bullcrap. -so what if I misunderstood, at least I tried for you-no need to be a punk.

EDIT-by the way-what I gave you is about all the "service" manual you're going to find on this radio. If you scroll down you will see it has a "service" section...schematic, alignment, component layout, even the dial chord routing-can't get more "service" than that.

You're NOT welcome
 
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Does your bulb look like this one 1815 JKL Components Lamps

According to the schematic for the radio ridgescan gave the link to, the dial bulbs appear to be in series so if one's out, both are out so this might explain why things are working the way they are. The meter lamp is in series with a resister (probably taking the place of the other bulb that wasn't needed) so all 3 may be the same type.
 

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Brings back memories. A good friend had the "B" version - Lafayette HA-600B. Being in high school, of course, he called it the "HA-bOOB" receiver.
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He worked tons of DX while using that rig.
 

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don't give me any of your bullcrap. -so what if I misunderstood, at least I tried for you-no need to be a punk.

EDIT-by the way-what I gave you is about all the "service" manual you're going to find on this radio. If you scroll down you will see it has a "service" section...schematic, alignment, component layout, even the dial chord routing-can't get more "service" than that.

You're NOT welcome

Enough with the arguments, gentlemen. Take this off line.

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don't give me any of your bullcrap. -so what if I misunderstood, at least I tried for you-no need to be a punk.

EDIT-by the way-what I gave you is about all the "service" manual you're going to find on this radio. If you scroll down you will see it has a "service" section...schematic, alignment, component layout, even the dial chord routing-can't get more "service" than that.

You're NOT welcome

r u still talking?
 

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Does your bulb look like this one 1815 JKL Components Lamps

According to the schematic for the radio ridgescan gave the link to, the dial bulbs appear to be in series so if one's out, both are out so this might explain why things are working the way they are. The meter lamp is in series with a resister (probably taking the place of the other bulb that wasn't needed) so all 3 may be the same type.

that looks like the bulb for the S metter but it could be il have to buy a few and check them to me the "bulb part is longer then the one pictured
 

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Don't look now (or maybe you should) but there are 6 lamps in there. I don't know where PL4, 5 and 6 are, is anything dark that looks like it should be lit? What they could be baffles me, some sort of 3-4V probably miniature with wire leads "grain of wheat" lamp, 3 in series across 12V. The others should be 6V being in series and one with a resistor, probably the common #47 ever popular in the days of Laughingyet. No wonder they're dim operating at half power, somebody replaced them not knowing they're wired in series.
 

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sorry cant do better but no camera i looked again and only see 3 bulbs marked with stars in paint photo likes are tuning wire circles are tuning nobs and tuning controls the square is the EPT-19 12 tranformer
 

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You only see 3 bulbs because there are only 3 bulbs. Oops, my bad, I was looking at the HA-600 manual and when I found the HA-600A manual I noticed some changes. In this one they're not wired in series, all 3 have a series resistor. The 1815 you pulled is probably one of the dim ones and the other dim one also an 1815, if you pull the bright one it will be the number you need.

My guess was a 47 thinking them in series, but that's a high current bulb and being they have series resistors brightness depends on current so more current means dimmer and less means brighter. For that reason I'd go with the number of the bulb that's in there, most likely an original. Trouble is the manual makes no mention of them whatsoever so that's the best I can tell you.
 
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