bill4long
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Why are you "glad" about that?
Nutty ham chatter on 14313
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Hey there, it was meant to be kinda in fun
, unfortunately right now i can do HF due to mony constraints, anyway, as i said, i slmost got to hear one of them folksies get taken off the air once (see my post about it in this thread for what happened, and the short version of what i heard after it went down), if i would have been like five minutes earlier i wouldda heard the whole thingy, which wouldda been a great way to wake up and have a good snicker too . Yeah, that one is good for a laugh when ya need some "off color" entertainment, but it does get old really quick. 73. N9NRA P.S. The post i referred to in this one is post #100 on page #5.
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bill4long
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You bet. 7.200 has recently become quite the cell pool of language. I don't mind most of the shenanigans and mild cussing etc that go on, but as of late the 14.313 crowd has taken over and it has become over the top with extreme vile language and the worst kinds of juvenile ugliness. I just turn the VFO these days. Much better things to do. I hope the FCC cleans up the vile offenders soon. Their identities are well known.
Heroic Actions...
TRUE, usually, especially on HAMereekan websites, but NOT always....
For example....
Brian CROW K3VR is only very sporadically heard on 14.313 MHz since his $11,500 NAL/FO....
Brian's side-kick Mike GUERNSEY KZ8O/nd8v while still daily heard on 14.313 MHz since his $22,000 NAL/FO is but a shadow of his former misbehaving self, in every sense of the word, HI.
And while neither have YET lost their licences, look for Mike KZ8O/nd8v's NOT to be renewed by the FCC in February 2016.
And after viciously attacking & harassing the FCC for over a year/still, what do you think is going to happen to Brian K3VR the leader of the Gang, when his licence comes up for renewal in February 2017 if not before?
And for the slow-learners amongst you, who still don't know who is chiefly responsible for these two unprecedented "Blessed Events", search the dozen+ RadioRef. forums using the keyword(s) K3VR and/or KZ8O/nd8v and/or VE7KFM and peruse the [remaining] fully-attributed, signed and even (c) links I posted therein, for ~a decade....
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TRUE, usually, especially on HAMereekan websites, but NOT always....
For example....
Brian CROW K3VR is only very sporadically heard on 14.313 MHz since his $11,500 NAL/FO....
Brian's side-kick Mike GUERNSEY KZ8O/nd8v while still daily heard on 14.313 MHz since his $22,000 NAL/FO is but a shadow of his former misbehaving self, in every sense of the word, HI.
And while neither have YET lost their licences, look for Mike KZ8O/nd8v's NOT to be renewed by the FCC in February 2016.
And after viciously attacking & harassing the FCC for over a year/still, what do you think is going to happen to Brian K3VR the leader of the Gang, when his licence comes up for renewal in February 2017 if not before?
And for the slow-learners amongst you, who still don't know who is chiefly responsible for these two unprecedented "Blessed Events", search the dozen+ RadioRef. forums using the keyword(s) K3VR and/or KZ8O/nd8v and/or VE7KFM and peruse the [remaining] fully-attributed, signed and even (c) links I posted therein, for ~a decade....
73
Name names/call-signs & 'Kill it, before it spreads' !
There... I amalgamated/tightened up/fixed these two comments for you -- the 2nd of which you posted while I was still composing my last -- on the same important sub-topic.... BTW As a very infrequent commentator, I never post twice in succession on forums, but your relatively cogent comments -- and the resounding silence since my last -- make me break my own rule, HI.
FYI While significantly improved since the “Blessed Events” of a year+ ago 14.313 MHz is still NOT a normal freq. -- but certainly is NOT dead. Also, 20m is the most robust medium-to-long distance communications Band relatively unaffected by the vagaries of the solar cycle.
Yet you are fundamentally right: the denizens of 14.313 MHz are now increasingly heard migrating, typically in the late afternoons/early evenings, apparently to raise Hell and cause chaos on 7.200 MHz and/or 75m reportedly....
But, be under no misapprehension: many of the denizens sporadically, individually -- and after the “Blessed Events” as an admittedly smaller Gang -- still cause much chaos on 14.313 MHz during the day/early evening. If you monitor carefully, you will also detect a palpable increase in the mayhem shortly after the close of business at FCC HQ especially -- propagation and more titillating mischief-making prospects elsewhere not distracting them, HI.
What interests me the most, however, is, IF as you state 'their identities are so well known', why not identify the chief serial mischief-makers by name and call-sign for the Greater Good of the ARS?
You could/should actually start with the 14.313 MHz “Radio Wars” from the last decade of the 20th Century, then canvass 14.275 MHz say from the turn of the Century to ~2010 when the Gang followed Donald ANDERSON N4TAT [1st mentioned in/by the OP] and his sometime radio acquaintance Karol MADERA VE7KFM to 14.313 MHz and finally enlighten us about those who have most recently migrated to/you now hear on 7.200 MHz and possibly even on 3.843 MHz.
Anticipating the very occasionally trotted out defamation shtick -- usually observed in the breach on HAMereekan forums generally and for more than a decade by Brian CROW K3VR initially against Glenn BAXTER K1MAN and then Karol MADERA VE7KFM on QRZ & eHAM especially [where both had their ability to defend themselves perfunctorily foreclosed ab inito] -- remember that Truth is an absolute defence and that the defence of your interest and/or that of your group is protected at law by qualified privilege, IF fairly presented and not defeated by malice.
So... simply carefully research/list -- initially for yourself only, if you're timid -- say the 1st handful of well-known/documented mischief-makers [who are not SK] on: 14.313 MHz historically; 14.275 MHz recently; 14.313 MHz again; and now on 7.200 MHz & 3.843 MHz. Then come up with your short-list of short-lists -- possibly succinctly stating the reasons why therefor, noting the obvious repeats, laconically pointing out the blatant connections between them, etc. -- but most importantly, publish it here!
This is NOT rocket-science!
Nearly all knowledgeable [there's the rub] right-thinking [ditto] radio amateurs reading this would/should agree that most names/call-signs that repeat themselves and may be otherwise closely connected on two and especially more of the above hopefully ~objectively derived initial short-lists, are by definition radio problem-children needing SERIOUS 'remedial attention'....
What say you?
RSVP
73
There... I amalgamated/tightened up/fixed these two comments for you -- the 2nd of which you posted while I was still composing my last -- on the same important sub-topic.... BTW As a very infrequent commentator, I never post twice in succession on forums, but your relatively cogent comments -- and the resounding silence since my last -- make me break my own rule, HI.
FYI While significantly improved since the “Blessed Events” of a year+ ago 14.313 MHz is still NOT a normal freq. -- but certainly is NOT dead. Also, 20m is the most robust medium-to-long distance communications Band relatively unaffected by the vagaries of the solar cycle.
Yet you are fundamentally right: the denizens of 14.313 MHz are now increasingly heard migrating, typically in the late afternoons/early evenings, apparently to raise Hell and cause chaos on 7.200 MHz and/or 75m reportedly....
But, be under no misapprehension: many of the denizens sporadically, individually -- and after the “Blessed Events” as an admittedly smaller Gang -- still cause much chaos on 14.313 MHz during the day/early evening. If you monitor carefully, you will also detect a palpable increase in the mayhem shortly after the close of business at FCC HQ especially -- propagation and more titillating mischief-making prospects elsewhere not distracting them, HI.
What interests me the most, however, is, IF as you state 'their identities are so well known', why not identify the chief serial mischief-makers by name and call-sign for the Greater Good of the ARS?
You could/should actually start with the 14.313 MHz “Radio Wars” from the last decade of the 20th Century, then canvass 14.275 MHz say from the turn of the Century to ~2010 when the Gang followed Donald ANDERSON N4TAT [1st mentioned in/by the OP] and his sometime radio acquaintance Karol MADERA VE7KFM to 14.313 MHz and finally enlighten us about those who have most recently migrated to/you now hear on 7.200 MHz and possibly even on 3.843 MHz.
Anticipating the very occasionally trotted out defamation shtick -- usually observed in the breach on HAMereekan forums generally and for more than a decade by Brian CROW K3VR initially against Glenn BAXTER K1MAN and then Karol MADERA VE7KFM on QRZ & eHAM especially [where both had their ability to defend themselves perfunctorily foreclosed ab inito] -- remember that Truth is an absolute defence and that the defence of your interest and/or that of your group is protected at law by qualified privilege, IF fairly presented and not defeated by malice.
So... simply carefully research/list -- initially for yourself only, if you're timid -- say the 1st handful of well-known/documented mischief-makers [who are not SK] on: 14.313 MHz historically; 14.275 MHz recently; 14.313 MHz again; and now on 7.200 MHz & 3.843 MHz. Then come up with your short-list of short-lists -- possibly succinctly stating the reasons why therefor, noting the obvious repeats, laconically pointing out the blatant connections between them, etc. -- but most importantly, publish it here!
This is NOT rocket-science!
Nearly all knowledgeable [there's the rub] right-thinking [ditto] radio amateurs reading this would/should agree that most names/call-signs that repeat themselves and may be otherwise closely connected on two and especially more of the above hopefully ~objectively derived initial short-lists, are by definition radio problem-children needing SERIOUS 'remedial attention'....
What say you?
RSVP
73
kayn1n32008
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Not sure why IC has not taken your license away yet Karol. You are just as much in need of 'remedial attention' you think the Americans that you post about need.
You come on here and post like we can't figure out that you CDN=VE7KFM. Just look at your posting history and compare your writing style here with your writting style on your web site.
Almost every post on RR is related to the children of 14.313/275 ect.
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elk2370bruce
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As well and often stated the obnoxious .313 is well avoided by using that big knob on the front of the radio. As these LIDS often read these posts, why do people continue to give them the attention that they do not deserve? They ain't worth the storage space on this website.
It was rather obvious from the start that VE7KFM and his closest advisors were so vastly superior to K3VR, KZ8O, N1FM, W7CPA, and W4NTI (SK) that the end result was fairly easy to predict.
K3VR and KZ8O await their fate with the DOJ. They know what happened to them, but they still don’t know why. Why did the FCC act after a decade, or more, of sitting on their hands? Did Laura Smith get tired of all the lies? Or was it the ARRL who said enough is enough? Or perhaps it was a large donor to a congressman sitting on a committee with FCC oversight? Or perhaps it was one in their inner circle with a strong motivation to make a deal. Clearly N1FM and W7CPA fit the bill there. Time will tell.
K3VR and KZ8O await their fate with the DOJ. They know what happened to them, but they still don’t know why. Why did the FCC act after a decade, or more, of sitting on their hands? Did Laura Smith get tired of all the lies? Or was it the ARRL who said enough is enough? Or perhaps it was a large donor to a congressman sitting on a committee with FCC oversight? Or perhaps it was one in their inner circle with a strong motivation to make a deal. Clearly N1FM and W7CPA fit the bill there. Time will tell.
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re, nutty chatter on 14313
That`s the thing, the FCC probably won`t, i have a better chance of gettin` hit by an amtrak train than we have of seeing the FCC actually do it`s job and clean up this mess we have on there. I listen for a while till it gets too nasty or boring, then i just spin the VFO too, better stuff to hear on HF anyway, and i don`t want to waste a great HF reciever on that kinda noise. I did have the thought that i might take the satilit 750 with me on the bus & train next may when i do Dayton, might make for a good chuckle, and help make the miles fly by faster (if i do i`ll get a roomette and use the headphones, that way others of my fellow riders won`t be subjected to that trash. In the words of Glen Fry in a song i like "you don`t really wanna find out what`s going on, you don`t really wanna know how far it`s gone"). We can always hope that something is done though, although my local ham friends have for the most part given up on 7200 and gone elsewhere on 40 meters, i won`t say where. Really too bad, as we have kids listening that might have an intrest in becomming a ham...till they hear these nutcases, then all bets are off. N9NRA
That`s the thing, the FCC probably won`t, i have a better chance of gettin` hit by an amtrak train than we have of seeing the FCC actually do it`s job and clean up this mess we have on there. I listen for a while till it gets too nasty or boring, then i just spin the VFO too, better stuff to hear on HF anyway, and i don`t want to waste a great HF reciever on that kinda noise
. I did have the thought that i might take the satilit 750 with me on the bus & train next may when i do Dayton, might make for a good chuckle, and help make the miles fly by faster (if i do i`ll get a roomette and use the headphones, that way others of my fellow riders won`t be subjected to that trash. In the words of Glen Fry in a song i like "you don`t really wanna find out what`s going on, you don`t really wanna know how far it`s gone"). We can always hope that something is done though, although my local ham friends have for the most part given up on 7200 and gone elsewhere on 40 meters, i won`t say where. Really too bad, as we have kids listening that might have an intrest in becomming a ham...till they hear these nutcases, then all bets are off. N9NRA
14.313 is where I go to tune up.
The FCC is complaint driven.
I say again;
The FCC is complaint driven.
The FCC will take action on an issue once informed by complaint from the public, and will generally not do so beforehand unless life safety is a potential problem. If you are affronted by the indecent quality of a radio user's transmission and are aware of their location or identity, please, contact the FCC, submit a complaint, and stand by.
I say again;
The FCC is complaint driven.
The FCC will take action on an issue once informed by complaint from the public, and will generally not do so beforehand unless life safety is a potential problem. If you are affronted by the indecent quality of a radio user's transmission and are aware of their location or identity, please, contact the FCC, submit a complaint, and stand by.
People have been filing complaints for at least a DECADE on this, and little has been done except Notices of Apparent Liability, which to the best of my knowledge are being ignored.
K7MEM
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While I may not have a solution to the problem, I'm pretty sure this doesn't help anything.
Martin - K7MEM
. That's precisely WHY many of us resist the pressure from the elmers and oldtimers to upgrade to Hf ... too much like cb. With infantile behavior like that, fm simplex is nice and quiet so why bother? The antennas need to be physically larger, more rf just to get over the Qrm? I'm good where I am!
. 73, n9zas
You wouldnt have to go hang out on .313 if you were on hf... Lots of other places to talk and do digital modes...
True, but then I've got enough equipment already, so I need an hf rig like a hole in the head. :roll: 73, n9zas
NZ4ZN
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....Now that said, i`m glad i don`t do HF, but listening to that freq is good for a laugh once in a while
This is like turning in your driver's license because you saw someone speeding. There is a HUGE amount of frequency spectrum available and being used by responsible, mature operators. There are a few problem areas that one can easily avoid; those few frequencies discussed here, the several frequencies staked out (and presumably owned) by the ED/Hemorrhoid/Gall Bladder Net folks, but that still leaves a LOT of space to enjoy HF and DX.
{ETA: Simplex is quite limited on VHF/UHF and there is a whole frontier out there.} Our local 2 meter net picked up a new problem just yesterday: A moron who was both using obscene language, personally attaching other operators and transmitting noise/dead key over the traffic net. It took them months to catch the last weenie doing this, but he was caught and this one doesn't seem very sophisticated. VHF/UHF bands are clearly not immune, and with the influx of cheap radios, I suspect the problems will grow there too. Sometimes, the 2 meter repeater usage seems more like CB, with a fair amount of transient traffic and the ever-present regulars.
THIS is a valid reason to avoid HF. If antenna space is unavailable or unsuitable, then sure, it makes successful HF work hard, but even that obstacle can often be mitigated with a little ingenuity.
"more RF" [power] isn't the answer and the problems caused by the problem children on these few frequencies doesn't affect the whole band....more rf just to get over the Qrm? I'm good where I am!
Taking 20 meters as an example, we can use voice from 14.150 mHz to 14.350 mHz - a 300 kHz segment. If we take the 14.313 mHz problem spot and allow 3kHz on either side to get away from the noise, this is only 2% of the band, and there are another 8 or 9 other HF bands to work with.
Bottom line: If using HF isn't worth licensing and setting up antennas, fine, but don't let the abuse of a few mentally/socially challenged folks scare you off or offer other excuses to not explore the rest of the amateur radio potential.
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