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I have been reading numerous articles on NVIS antennas from dipoles, long wire to a t antenna.
Some point out a reflector below the antenna....I see they show a wire below the antenna , a variant of 3 reflectors below a dipole.
I am wondering if just a steel pipe under the longwire will suffice.

Height wise all or most articles recommend from 3 feet off the ground to the max of 7 ft for a dipole.

Anyone have experience in this type of antenna.

My goal is to communicate a short range of 30 miles or less on 40 meters digital to a friends qth.

I know one can use VHF/UHF repeaters etc., but want to do it on 40...

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Your probably better off with vertical antennas at both ends on a 30mi HF path which will work ground wave 24/7 where NVIS relies on propagation that will change from day to night.

With that said, most articles would be incorrect recommending no higher than 3 to 7ft for a horizontal NVIS antenna. The max efficiency will be close to 1/4 wavelength off the ground or about 33ft for 40m and up to about 62ft for 80m. For multiband NVIS, use about 1/4 wavelength at the highest operating frequency and since the highest amateur band where NVIS would normally work is 40m, 33ft would be the highest you would ever need.

Going lower is ok if you have plenty of signal at the other end and your receive noise will go down when the antenna is lowered, partially from the efficiency being reduced and some from rejecting signals and noise arriving at a low angle from afar.

Going from 30ft down to 10ft can easily loose 6 to 10dB of efficiency on 80m but if propagation is good then it usually works fine. When the bands are hopping I can usually toss 30 to 50ft of wire on the ground and make contacts out to a few hundred miles with my 25w manpack radios but when the bands are lousy that's very difficult without much higher power.

There is quite a bit of controversy about placing a reflector wire under your NVIS antenna. Sometimes it helps and sometimes it can make things worse so I don't bother. My main HF base antenna is a G5RV horizontal at about 30ft which falls in the NVIS category, although it also works fine for DX. I use several portable NVIS antennas that are a 40 and 80m dipole at right angles to each other that wind up on a 33ft portable mast and the dipole elements become the guy wires for the antenna. I also use a military AS-2259 modified with resonant wires for 40 and 80m with extra mast sections to raise the feedpoint from 15ft to 30ft.
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I have been reading numerous articles on NVIS antennas from dipoles, long wire to a t antenna.
Some point out a reflector below the antenna....I see they show a wire below the antenna , a variant of 3 reflectors below a dipole.
I am wondering if just a steel pipe under the longwire will suffice.

Height wise all or most articles recommend from 3 feet off the ground to the max of 7 ft for a dipole.

Anyone have experience in this type of antenna.

My goal is to communicate a short range of 30 miles or less on 40 meters digital to a friends qth.

I know one can use VHF/UHF repeaters etc., but want to do it on 40...

DOCTOR/795
 

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I agree with using vertical antennas. With 2.5 watts and a collapsible whip sitting at eye level ive been heard here in town, in Hawaii and in Texas.
 

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I wouldn't get too enthused about the NIVS thing, It's really a matter of 'Momma Nature's propagation than anything. Lots of the NIVS antennas work just dandy for longer distances too. Antenna height can make a lot of difference, as well with the 'reflectors' under antennas. If you've already got a 40 meter antenna, just drop power.
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I have been reading numerous articles on NVIS antennas from dipoles, long wire to a t antenna.
Some point out a reflector below the antenna....I see they show a wire below the antenna , a variant of 3 reflectors below a dipole.
I am wondering if just a steel pipe under the longwire will suffice.

Height wise all or most articles recommend from 3 feet off the ground to the max of 7 ft for a dipole.

Anyone have experience in this type of antenna.

My goal is to communicate a short range of 30 miles or less on 40 meters digital to a friends qth.

I know one can use VHF/UHF repeaters etc., but want to do it on 40...

DOCTOR/795

You may or may not have read some of the articles to be found on the web regarding military use of NVIS.

David Fiedler's work is excellent. See his articles from the Army Communicator :

Army Communicator - Special interest area list and links Dave Fiedler Collection

I liked this pdf from Texas Army MARS, too :

https://txarmymars.org/downloads/NVIS-Antenna-Theory-and-Design.pdf

73 !
 
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Tnx for the replies guys. I agree that a vertical will be the best bet for this type of communication, so will give it a try in the next few weeks.
Tnx again

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