NXDN 4800 baud

[mass-man]

What portable would you recommend to listen only to a 4800 baud 3 channel trunking system? Doesn’t have to be new..an elderly uncle has always listened to his volunteer FD(used to be a member) and they’ve moved to NEXEDGE.
thanks...

 

[pro106import]

I was unable to have any success with any Kenwood radio that will decode and receive audio from a NXDN trunked system without the system key. Maybe Icom's will do it. I never got a confirmed answer. But if I am correct, the option would be a Whistler TRX-1 or Uniden SDS-100 and the like.

 

[mmckenna]

I run a NexEdge system and I can tell you that you can't buy a Kenwood NexEdge radio and scan the trunked systems. The packets from the trunked system are tagged and the radio will not decode traffic without a system key and proper programming on the trunked system side.

Never tried an Icom radio to see if they'll do it.

Best bet is a scanner that will handle NXDN trunking.

 

[mass-man]

I first recommended a scanner that would handle NXDN trunking but it’s a bit much for him! So I’ll change my inquiry...to an easy to use portable that I can program with all eight TG and just move off dispatch to another channel if he desires. Honestly if he could just hear the dispatcher I think he would be happy! I guess sorta non trunked scanning of the 3 channels.
thanks for the info...

 

[pro106import]

I first recommended a scanner that would handle NXDN trunking but it’s a bit much for him! So I’ll change my inquiry...to an easy to use portable that I can program with all eight TG and just move off dispatch to another channel if he desires. Honestly if he could just hear the dispatcher I think he would be happy!
thanks for the info...

Pretty much the same answer as above I'm sorry to say.
Uniden BCD436HP, BCD536HP, SDS100 and SDS200 scanners
Whistler TRX-1 or TRX-2 scanners
And still up for possibilities are Icom commercial radios, but IDK

 

[mass-man]

I kinda expected that but told my cousin I would see what is possible...
Maybe a TRX-1...the worry is he will hit a button and not be able to get back to the right settings! I could lock the keypad I guess.

 

[mmckenna]

I guess sorta non trunked scanning of the 3 channels.
thanks for the info...

Yeah, it won't work.
All the traffic transmitted by the trunked system is tagged as trunked traffic. The radio will ignore it unless it has been programmed with a system key -and- the radio is added to the access control lists in the system itself.
You cannot Non-Affiliate Scan NexEdge systems with a Kenwood radio.
Kenwood designed the system this way on purpose.
I run a system, I've tried it all. To make a Kenwood portable listen to the trunked system, the radio must be programmed with a system key. The system admin is the only one that will have that.
In addition, the radio ID must be added to the system, and if they've set it up right, the radio's ESN must also be in the system and matched to the radio ID.

Scanner or the appropriate USB radio stick with the right software. Or hope they are streaming the traffic.

 

[mass-man]

Straight from the knowledgeable source!
THANKS...

 

[mmckenna]

Straight from the knowledgeable source!
THANKS...

Yeah, Kenwood learned from the mess that Motorola made of the SmartNet/SmartZone trunked systems. I used to have one of those before the NexEdge system and due to a radio shop being allowed to program radio to our system, we had a ton of radios running the same radio ID and we essentially lost control of the system.

Would be nice if there were some scanners out there that were less expensive than the current crop that would do this for you.

Not sure if the Icom radios will do what you need. My system is 800MHz, and Icom doesn't make any iDAS/NXDN capable 800MHz gear for me to try out. I've heard rumors that it's possible, but in 10 years, I've never had anyone actually prove it. Would be interesting to try out, but by the time you bought the Icom radio and programming software/cable, you'd probably spend as much as buying a scanner.

 

[pro106import]

Would be interesting to try out, but by the time you bought the Icom radio and programming software/cable, you'd probably spend as much as buying a scanner.

I would like to know if Icoms work as well. I am using a TRX-1 to monitor a far away UHF 9600 system (60 miles away) with a 8 element Yagi. I know the commercial radios are much more sensitive and selective. That is my need for it anyway.

 

[mmckenna]

If Icom made an 800MHz iDAS radio, I'd buy one and try it. I've asked Icom several times over many years at various trade shows, but they don't see enough market for 800MHz gear using NXDN.

Just beware, some older Icom's only did 6.25KHz and only Type D trunking. I think most of the newer Icom's do both Type C and Type D trunking as well as 12.5KHz and 6.25KHz.

 

[Monitorman7001]

Icom will listen to trunked voice channels on an NXDN system just program all traffic channels set RAN to 0 and program talk groups put channel into a scam list and talk groups into a receive list set the radio to fast un mute.
extra note it could be a second generation NXDN system where you possibly need one of the newer icoms

this is why we need a CCR manufacture to make an NXDN radio

 

[pro106import]

Icom will listen to trunked voice channels on an NXDN system just program all traffic channels set RAN to 0 and program talk groups put channel into a scam list and talk groups into a receive list set the radio to fast un mute.
extra note it could be a second generation NXDN system where you possibly need one of the newer icoms

this is why we need a CCR manufacture to make an NXDN radio

Yes it is a 9600 system. Any clue on which icom radio? I have asked on the icon forum with no answer in the past.

 

[Monitorman7001]

IC-F3400/F4400 Series depending on what band and keypad display options you want they are quite expensive they are the only model what does 9600 do you know if the system is not running encryption that will make it a nonstarter scrambler you can get around

 

[pro106import]

IC-F3400/F4400 Series depending on what band and keypad display options you want they are quite expensive they are the only model what does 9600 do you know if the system is not running encryption that will make it a nonstarter scrambler you can get around

Yes it is 9600 and there is one talkgroup used for encryption, but the rest of the talkgroups are not encrypted. OK I'll have to look into the 3400-4400. Thank you very much for the info. Sorry mods for going off topic somewhat.

 

[iowajm780]

Yeah, Kenwood learned from the mess that Motorola made of the SmartNet/SmartZone trunked systems. I used to have one of those before the NexEdge system and due to a radio shop being allowed to program radio to our system, we had a ton of radios running the same radio ID and we essentially lost control of the system.

Would be nice if there were some scanners out there that were less expensive than the current crop that would do this for you.

Not sure if the Icom radios will do what you need. My system is 800MHz, and Icom doesn't make any iDAS/NXDN capable 800MHz gear for me to try out. I've heard rumors that it's possible, but in 10 years, I've never had anyone actually prove it. Would be interesting to try out, but by the time you bought the Icom radio and programming software/cable, you'd probably spend as much as buying a scanner.

Icom will listen to trunked voice channels on an NXDN system just program all traffic channels set RAN to 0 and program talk groups put channel into a scam list and talk groups into a receive list set the radio to fast un mute.
extra note it could be a second generation NXDN system where you possibly need one of the newer icoms

this is why we need a CCR manufacture to make an NXDN radio

I am waiting to try this with my 6121D. It appears that my programming cable is bad and I have not had a chance to replace it yet. Looking forwarding to testing this out. This setup is good for the short term, but getting an SDR or even a scanner down the road would be the better way to go. This is the fun part of the hobby, trying different methods of receiving various radio transmissions.