What you say makes zero sense. Encrypted transmissions can still be logged, including talkgroup and radio ID's. Encryption muting merely silences the garble noise. You are complaining about something that isn't even a problem.
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I, too, agree with u2brent on the subject of having an ENC muting option.
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It would be nice if muting encryption was an option that a user could set on a per system basis. Some folks (I for one) would like to be able to at least log TG's & RID's when researching a system for the purpose of determining & submitting to RR. If everything is encrypted then there is no research that can be performed. Effectively turning a $500 tool into a paper weight is BS Uniden.
No, I don't want to listen to un-intelligible audio but I'd like it to be an option. (If Whistler can do it! nuff said..)
I don't believe we're on the same page.
I don't know how your radio performs but mine does this.
The ENC TG's flash on the screen for an instant (If at all), passes no audio and moves on to the next..
The log does not capture that! Let alone allow time for a RID to display. (I'm talking about using the radio, not all the PC software that the same function can be accomplished with.
I don't know how your radio performs but mine does this.
The ENC TG's flash on the screen for an instant (If at all), passes no audio and moves on to the next..
The log does not capture that! Let alone allow time for a RID to display. (I'm talking about using the radio, not all the PC software that the same function can be accomplished with.
Whether something is of zero value is merely an opinion based on one view.
It would make more sense to be optional for encryption to either mute audio but remain on that TG or to force scanning. For those who wish to log IDs or activity to try to figure out use of a TG or judge activity, remaining on a secure TGID is a benefit. For those who just want to hear active, clear traffic, automatically continuing is just as valuable.
chris
It would make more sense to be optional for encryption to either mute audio but remain on that TG or to force scanning. For those who wish to log IDs or activity to try to figure out use of a TG or judge activity, remaining on a secure TGID is a benefit. For those who just want to hear active, clear traffic, automatically continuing is just as valuable.
chris
Thank you, you seem to understand what others do not.
Everything in this statement is wrong. Encryption muting does nothing more than mute the garbled audio. You can still log talkgroup and radio IDs when encrypted audio is muted. Here are some talkgroup and unit IDs I've logged on encrypted transmissions using ProScan:
UID Hits Site UID Duration TG ID
12001 2 Adams County Public Safety - West System 12001 00:00:14 10001 09/14/17 09:16:06 09/14/17 12:57:02
109209 2 Adams County Public Safety - West System 109209 00:00:02 10001 09/14/17 12:56:35 09/14/17 12:57:10
109211 1 Adams County Public Safety - West System 109211 00:00:04 10001 09/14/17 12:56:40 09/14/17 12:56:44
12202 2 Adams County Public Safety - West System 12202 00:00:05 10002 09/14/17 13:01:33 09/14/17 13:01:47
141203 1 Adams County Public Safety - West System 141203 00:00:04 10002 09/14/17 13:01:17 09/14/17 13:01:22
101105 1 Adams County Public Safety - West System 101105 00:00:14 10003 09/14/17 12:54:25 09/14/17 12:54:40
Your using Proscan.
What your not understanding is...
This is about using the actual radio... Stand Alone..
What this thread was started for in the first place.
Thanks
What your not understanding is...
This is about using the actual radio... Stand Alone..
What this thread was started for in the first place.
Thanks
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Where do you think ProScan got the data? Mars?
Here's a hint: Set encrypted talkgroups with a delay of -5 seconds. You will see the talkgroup and unit IDs, and if recording is on, you will record 5 seconds of silence.
Here's a hint: Set encrypted talkgroups with a delay of -5 seconds. You will see the talkgroup and unit IDs, and if recording is on, you will record 5 seconds of silence.
You can continue on, I don't think my statements were misunderstood by most.
Try getting disconnected from the PC for a while.
The laptop on my dash is a bit unrealistic.
That's my last word on this matter.
Try getting disconnected from the PC for a while.
The laptop on my dash is a bit unrealistic.
That's my last word on this matter.
So is writing down talkgroup and unit IDs while driving.
If you're doing trunked discovery in the radio, or logging with ProScan, the data you're saying isn't captured when encryption is muted is in fact captured. At least if you have delay on encrypted talkgroups set to a negative value, like -5. It's not a matter of opinion, it's objective fact.
Wouldn't have to write anything down. Just press E and save it for a later analysis.
Not talking about using discovery, Just normal scanning.
NEXT....
Not talking about using discovery, Just normal scanning.
NEXT....
Which you can still do with encryption muting active.
With a -5 Delay set on the talkgroup, the radio holds on the talkgroup for the length of the transmission, or 5 seconds, whichever is shorter, at least on the systems I monitor that use encryption (P25 Phase II and DMR). Which is plenty of time to press e/yes or whatever you want to do to manually log the hit or capture the UID.
If you don't know the TG yet (because you just had a hit for the first time) how the heck can you set it's hold time to anything. You don't have it saved yet.
You still ain't getting the jist of the original intent of my post.
Under normal scanner operation ENC TG's are automatically skipped.
They (Uniden) got it down on the P25 PH 1.
They are trying to get it to operate the same for PH 2 systems.
See the new Uniden Firmware Details about ENC.
"1.14.00 Release Notes (03/26/2018)
Support NXDN Trunking, NXDN One-Frequency Trunking, and Icom IDAS Trunking Upgrade
Allows the selection of RAN and Area in conventional programming.
Supports Motorola and Harris P25 Patch ID
Supports Extended Addressing EDACS Patch IDs
Improved simplex DMR reception with auto threshold
Adds support for NXDN to Analyze and LCN Finder functions
Improves P25 Phase 2 Encryption Muting
Corrected an issue where the anaylze function could cause the scanner to reboot
Added ENC and NAC display for conventional and search modes
Corrected an issue where selecting "Stop All Avoiding" did not remove avoid from all items. "
It's NOT AN OPTION, They are intent on having the radio ignore anything that is flagged ENC.
I the purchaser, owner, & operator of the radio WANT THE OPTION It's simple really, go ahead and conflag some more.
MOVE ALONG NOW...:roll:
You still ain't getting the jist of the original intent of my post.
Under normal scanner operation ENC TG's are automatically skipped.
They (Uniden) got it down on the P25 PH 1.
They are trying to get it to operate the same for PH 2 systems.
See the new Uniden Firmware Details about ENC.
"1.14.00 Release Notes (03/26/2018)
Support NXDN Trunking, NXDN One-Frequency Trunking, and Icom IDAS Trunking Upgrade
Allows the selection of RAN and Area in conventional programming.
Supports Motorola and Harris P25 Patch ID
Supports Extended Addressing EDACS Patch IDs
Improved simplex DMR reception with auto threshold
Adds support for NXDN to Analyze and LCN Finder functions
Improves P25 Phase 2 Encryption Muting
Corrected an issue where the anaylze function could cause the scanner to reboot
Added ENC and NAC display for conventional and search modes
Corrected an issue where selecting "Stop All Avoiding" did not remove avoid from all items. "
It's NOT AN OPTION, They are intent on having the radio ignore anything that is flagged ENC.
I the purchaser, owner, & operator of the radio WANT THE OPTION It's simple really, go ahead and conflag some more.
MOVE ALONG NOW...:roll:
If you are scanning conventional programmed frequencies that you programmed, you can set the delay on the conventional frequency to a -value. Which should allow you to capture the TGID/UID info.
Thank you,
I won't dispute your point.
I'm talking about trunked systems that are already properly configured.
With ID Scan enabled or not.
Even saved TG's will be skipped if they are ENC on P25 PH1 & now PH 2.
Soon to come to another system type near you. DMR, NXDN.
I WANT THE OPTION FOR THE RADIO TO STOP ON AN ACTIVE TG REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S ENCRYPTED OR NOT!
It's my radio and I want it now, now, now....:roll:
I won't dispute your point.
I'm talking about trunked systems that are already properly configured.
With ID Scan enabled or not.
Even saved TG's will be skipped if they are ENC on P25 PH1 & now PH 2.
Soon to come to another system type near you. DMR, NXDN.
I WANT THE OPTION FOR THE RADIO TO STOP ON AN ACTIVE TG REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S ENCRYPTED OR NOT!
It's my radio and I want it now, now, now....:roll:
I don't know how you have your systems programmed, but if an encrypted transmission slips in on an otherwise listenable talk group, my 436 does not skip the transmission - some get muted and some don't - but the scanner holds for the entire length of transmission.
Wouldn't have to diddle with any settings.
Just check a box "disable ENC mute" per system if necessary. Globally would be another option.
Just check a box "disable ENC mute" per system if necessary. Globally would be another option.
I have my systems programmed the same way any proper scanner user would.
Generally speaking Uniden would have all that garble muted. Even the ones you mention as slipping in.
I refer to my previous posts which are viewable above....
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