NYSP Troop G Repeaters

[chrismol1]

New FB2 in the FCC ULS in Troop G capital region

Albany, Rensselaer
159.150
KXK359 ULS License - Public Safety Pool, Conventional License - KXK359 - STATE OF NEW YORK, DIVISION OF STATE POLICE - Frequencies Summary

Saratoga, Washington, Warren
154.9275
WSFQ923 ULS License - Public Safety Pool, Conventional License - WSFQ923 - NEW YORK STATE POLICE - Frequencies Summary

 

[radioguy224]

Have these been updated on the troops data base

 

[k2hz]

Have these been updated on the troops data base

It was only reported they are new licenses. Nothing goes in RRDB until it is confirmed active.

 

[ak716]

Nothing for nothing, but why on earth would NYSP work on building out more conventional frequencies in multiple counties when they have TGs on Albany, Rensselaer, and Saratoga Co TRSs? Washington and Warren? Okay, fine, they can because they can, but I don't get it.

 

[DaveNF2G]

They also have enough VHF channels to make repeaters in every troop. It might be an interoperability move. A VHF channel patched to the local TRS for units coming into the area without the local systems in their car radios.

 

[seagravebuff60]

Have these been updated on the troops data base

Um no. Why would they? They haven't been confirmed in use yet. So unless someone (like yourself even) confirms their use and submits them to the DB, the DB will not be updated.

You can also check if the troop pages are updated by navigating to their page and looking for an update. Certainly faster than typing out a post.

They also have enough VHF channels to make repeaters in every troop. It might be an interoperability move. A VHF channel patched to the local TRS for units coming into the area without the local systems in their car radios.

Every troop car throughout the state has all the Troop frequencies and PLs for each troop statewide programmed into their radios, at least all their VHF frequencies.

Nothing for nothing, but why on earth would NYSP work on building out more conventional frequencies in multiple counties when they have TGs on Albany, Rensselaer, and Saratoga Co TRSs? Washington and Warren? Okay, fine, they can because they can, but I don't get it.

Yeah, I agree it makes no sense. And their radio system is old school. But even with the local trunks, Troop G still uses VHF.

 

[dave3825]

Nothing for nothing, but why on earth would NYSP work on building out more conventional frequencies in multiple counties when they have TGs on Albany, Rensselaer, and Saratoga Co TRSs?

Must be a thing. Troop L has two tg's on Suffolk County trs, They have a couple on MRRS trs and one on East Hampton. Not sure about Nassau County. They also got their hands on a vhf freq that was licensed to Suffolk County pd. Its in their name now.

 

[DaveNF2G]

Every troop car throughout the state has all the Troop frequencies and PLs for each troop statewide programmed into their radios, at least all their VHF fre

I meant interoperability outside NYSP itself.

 

[chrismol1]

Yea these licenses are fresh off the ULS recently granted, now waiting to see when they go on air. They appear as repeaters on a license/system that has been long known as duplex so it is interesting.

Checkout the antenna notes on the application on the saratoga sites, corner reflector antenna.

Please place the following special conditions on this license:
Locations 1 through 4 will use a Sinclair SV228-SF2SNM or similar antenna with the following azimuth:
Glens Falls 47 deg
Ballston Spa 70 deg
Hebron 240 deg
Black Mtn, Lake George 270 deg

 

[DaveNF2G]

Line A restriction?

 

[k2hz]

Line A restriction?

It is good engineering practice, not necessarily driven by Line A requirements. The days of 250W repeaters with the highest tower you can afford and a 6db omni antenna are over. Coordinating anything on VHF if a major challenge to fit in for the coverage you need with minimal interference to and from co-channel and 7.5kHz adjacent channel users.

NYSP is currently in the process of licensing new VHF repeaters in all Troops. When, if or why they will be implemented is not apparent at this time. Most NYSP dispatch, at least in Central and Western NY, is currently on county TRS or MRD systems along with dedicated NYSP TGs on most trunked systems.

 

[DaveNF2G]

It is possible that NYSP commanders have been convinced that repeaters are better after using the local TRS for a while. They can be in one spot and hear the entire Troop.

 

[chrismol1]

I wasn't aware in other areas of the state that troops used a local trunked system for troop business other than interacting with other agencies on it. Looking at Albany, Rens, Saratoga Talkgroups Seen in Troop G on broadcastify, those dedicated NYSP talkgroups exist in the DB but they don't seem to be in daily routine use as you'd hear traffic on the regular troop VHF channels, do they?

I'm hoping at some point they do some sort of repeater system or maybe zone repeaters would do well in the configuraton on these new licenses. That'd be an upgrade to this antiquated system and maintain consistent two way communication across the entire zone as most agencies have been doing since the last century instead of scanning the mobile frequency attempt to hear their colleagues, walk on each other calling comsec as they don't hear each other. I've heard comsec and mobiles alike with issues receiving asking for repeats, or that horrible racket if you are receiving both zone 1 & 2 when dispatchers transmit at the same time especially during busy times.

 

[DaveNF2G]

Troop G conducts primary troop operations on VHF. The mobiles are dispatched to local 9-1-1 calls via the main local dispatch talkgroups on the various TRS'.

 

[asweezy]

Interesting I wonder what they are doing

 

[murse_joe]

The troopers rarely need to talk across the state with other troops though. They're much more likely to interact with units in their own county or area. A NYSP car in Rockland or Orange county will operate on those county radio systems. They can fail though and the VHF system is a much more robust one for backups.

It's also free money, the counties maintain their own systems, the state police don't need to update em.

 

[seagravebuff60]

I'm hoping at some point they do some sort of repeater system or maybe zone repeaters would do well in the configuraton on these new licenses. That'd be an upgrade to this antiquated system and maintain consistent two way communication across the entire zone as most agencies have been doing since the last century instead of scanning the mobile frequency attempt to hear their colleagues, walk on each other calling comsec as they don't hear each other. I've heard comsec and mobiles alike with issues receiving asking for repeats, or that horrible racket if you are receiving both zone 1 & 2 when dispatchers transmit at the same time especially during busy times.

That's exactly what happens with Troop K. TMC and Poughkeepsie constantly stepping on each other on 155.505; it is absolute earrape. I just stopped listening to them altogether. Wait until there is a pursuit on 684 or 84. Such an old system definitely can't keep up with the growing number of calls each zone handles. Hopefully, they can figure it out.

 

[GTR8000]

That's likely why the SP have been going around asking counties if they can take over licensing of unused/legacy VHF spectrum. Seems like they might want to diversify their pool of VHF frequencies so that they no longer have to operate an entire troop on a single shared frequency. I suspect that they'll start to build out repeaters for each zone within a troop using discrete frequencies for area. Time will tell.

 

[chrismol1]

It may not mean much at the moment, but both of these licenses have now received build out notification.

Even though NYS appears at this time to be doing a mass FCC license build out notification of various older licenses, these are new freqs.